Kratom is an AMAZING, rarely spoken-of resource for opiate Detox. It is unfortunate the US is now trying to make it a Schedule I substance, similar to the likes of Cocaine, Heroin & Ecstasy.
Pretty much any medication or substance you take, your body will develop a dependence to it because it causes the body to change (it exerting its effects so it can work).
The key is recognizing this and not letting the use get out of hand, or turn into abuse.
Something else that anyone who is thinking of quitting opiates should consider is, no matter what, you will feel the effects of withdrawal, albeit physical or mental.
That’s your body’s way of expelling the toxic buildup of the drug in your body and trying to adjust to how it was before you started abusing. If you go into it with a positive, yet tolerant mindset things will be much easier for you.
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Be Grateful For Kratom
I did not do that the first few times, and ended up right back in the Lions Den because I expected things like Kratom to be a miracle based off a lot of what I read, and then when I still felt cravings, got so frustrated and felt it was not working for me, and gave in to temptation, rather than be so thankful for how much pain I was being saved from taking the Kratom.
Kratom Dosages For Opiate Withdrawal
Depending on how much you abuse per day (I was blowing around 210mg of oxy a day for 3-4 years) and due to the very short half life and length of effects of Kratom, I found 6-7 grams, 3 to 4 times a day to be the perfect amount during Detox.
It varies per person, just make sure, if you start feeling euphoric effects from Kratom, you’re probably taking too much.
As I mentioned earlier it can be addicting too, especially to people quitting opiates, who now have little to no chemicals in the brain producing pleasure, so anything that does you automatically gravitate towards.
During acute Detox I took around 6-7 grams, 3-4x per day, basically when I started to feel the symptoms coming back, and then once right before I went to bed so I could try to sleep.
I still had somewhat difficulty sleeping even on Kratom during acute Detox, but I am such a light sleeper anyways and attributed it to that, as when I have detoxed cold turkey I went as long as 4 days with 30 minutes of sleep.
Take Care of Your Body
A crucial part a lot of people overlook while detoxing/abusing opiates is how much you have neglected your body. It is so vital during this stage that you nourish your body with clean, healthy foods, tons of veggies, a LOT of protein, and cut back on caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, and sugar as they will cause you to crash.
It might seem like a quick fix initially, but, speaking from experience, you will regret it after a few hours (again, everyone is different, so maybe not!) another step that helped me not only quit Kratom, but through the early stages of Detox was FORCING myself to exercise, and do things that (prior to abusing pills) made me happy.
I truly underestimated the importance of exercising throughout this. I am 3 months clean currently and can say I would not be if it had not been for exercise. It took my mind off of cravings, made me feel relaxed and happy (huge plus, especially during Detox).
My Success Using Kratom to get off Opiates
I used Kratom for 1 week at the dose listed above, and then to avoid withdrawal from that, I cut the dosing intervals in half, and began to cut my actual doses in half (around 3-4 g) over the following week.
Not to sound dramatic, but I never thought I would achieve sobriety given how bad my addiction got.
I know some people have it much worse, but at 5’2″ and 100 pounds, 210mg of oxy a day is an elephant sized habit. During my last (& final) Detox, I stumbled across Opiate Addiction Support.
Anyone looking to quit, seriously, should look at Matt’s home Detox eCourse and the hundreds of helpful articles he’s taken the time to write and post regarding supplements to help cope through withdrawal, getting your energy back, making it through PAWS etc. even as a healthcare provider, I was not even nearly as fully educated about all the different ways you can alleviate your withdrawal symptoms, and would not be clean to this day if it weren’t for this page!
Thank you again Matt!
Note from Matt Finch: Pretty cool success story right?! This person used the plan on my article How To Use Kratom For Opiate Withdrawal, and then customized it slightly to achieve her goal and end her addiction. She also used my online course Ultimate Opiate Detox 2.0 to help her. Her story is well-written and totally inspiring.
Hi Matt! If i purchase the calm support will I need to purchase the other supplements also?!
I started using heroin at age 14 in 1998. I became an IV user in 2000. I struggled to get or stay clean, on & off, until 2015. This is the first time I’ve ever cared to do the math, a 17 year addiction. I had two 3 year periods of sobriety, following the births of my daughters (2005 & 2012). I have been to countless detox centers(15+), rehabs(6), halfway houses(3), IOPs(5), mental health centers(13+), jails(4)….across the states of the East coast. I accumulated legal issues, being on probation, PTI etc. I am a 2 time convicted felon, in 2 states. In 2015, I decided, with the help of my (drug-free) fiancee, to try giving Subutex a try. I have been on it ever since. I was prescribed 4MGS/daily. About 1 year ago, I cut that dose in half, taking about 2mgs daily because I knew I couldn’t stay on it forever. January 4th, 2019 at 6pm I took my last little .5 mg of Subutex. I started drinking Kratom the following morning. I have never felt so much natural relief from anything in my life & I couldnt be more grateful that there is this option for people like me. With 4 kids in my care, my own cleaning company & a part time night job, I cant afford to be out of commission due to withdrawals. I drink kratom tea every 5-6 hrs throughout the day, or as needed…sips off of a small bottle of extracts I bought. It can get expensive, at $40/30 ml bottle or $27/112 gram bag of powder…but if you find the strain that gives you the balance of relief your looking for, it is worth it. I cut almost all caffeine out of my life. I used to drink 1 pot of half coffee, half espresso daily. Now, I drink 1 cup of black tea in the morning & herbal teas throughout the day. The symptoms are not gone but they are tolerable, which is all I needed to go along with this positive mindset. I have no desire at all to use any of the Subutex I have left, or heroin, or any other opioid. I do look forward to incorporating a good exercise routine to go along with the yoga I do 3x weekly. Life changes. It’s not replacing one thing with another…its literally changing every aspect of your life. Your mentality has to be one of perseverance & gratitude. Your attitude has to remain positive. You have to remain strong. Please share my story to help someone somewhere. Thank you!
I’ve been an opiate addict for over 13 years with the last 5 being heroin. I’ve tried kratom on a number of occasions while in withdrawal, but never tried to seriously get off using it. 20 days ago I made the choice to give sobriety a real go. I would have to say at this point I find it to be a miracle plant. I’m 20 days sober today and doing better physically and mentally then I have in years. In nature there is a remedy to everything I believe this is nature’s remedy to the poppy plant.
Congrats, Luke! That is so wonderful to read about your success. I’m of the safe belief. There really is a natural remedy for all the at ails ya. Loved what you wrote. 🙂 Enjoy your freedom from addition and new life.
Hello Matt,
I wonder if you can use Kratom and Calm Support at the same time? I am still struggling and back on Suboxone. I guess time will tell when I am ready to make it all happen. I do believe that the drug company and/or doctors have medicine that is much better than Suboxone, Methadone, etc but wouldn’t sell it because they want to continue making more money off patients and more $$ for the pharmacy companies. If so, that is very selfish and greedy of them. I know it is not easy for everyone and we have to help ourselves if we want it, you know. Anyway, Kratom and Calm Support go together? When should I start using after tapering Suboxone? I am sure they WON’T work if you still have suboxone in your sytstem because they would just block the effects. I continue to read your blogs and other news from time to time and do enjoy them.
Thanks again,
Tim
Yes, they go great together, Tim. I’m going to post a link to my best method yet for getting off Suboxone using kratom, Calm Support, and other methods. Check this out and you’ll thank me later:
The Kratom Playbook For Opiate Recovery>>
This topic has been a treasure trove of valuable information. Thank to everyone!
Isn’t this information great! Glad you received value from it, and I thank you for leaving a comment!
Can you fill me in on a reputable source for Kratom? Have found many MANY websites claiming to be really Indonesian kratom but really, how does one know you are getting the real deal?
You never know if the quality of kratom is good or not when you try an online vendor. I tried a lot that were low quality and some even made me sick. Top Extracts is my favorite online kratom vendor and the owner, Jim, is the nicest and most trustworthy business man of all time.
Here is a review I wrote on Top Extracts quality and customer service:
Top Extracts Review: Insanely Awesome Kratom and Other Opiate Withdrawal Remedies>>
I tried to order from here, but they cant ship to TN….hoping the place I ordered, from Michigan, is a good place to get from….found on Ebay….
I am on day 5 clean, and having alot of twitching in my legs…..they dont hurt, but very annoying….and also have a headace…..
Hi Gram,
Good luck with everything. Hang in there and I know you can get through this. Take care.
Which type of Kratom should I get. There r so mAny kinds? Please lmk ASAP. Thank you so much!
Top Extracts kratom is my favorite online kratom vendor, and I’ve tried a bunch. Here is a review article I wrote on it:
Top Extracts Review: Insanely Awesome Kratom and Other Opiate Withdrawal Remedies>>
I don’t want to wait for the mail. There r headsops here that sale it but which kind is the best. I’m 2.5 weeks off suboxone but I have severe RLS and insomnia along with depression. I’m suffered rls, insomnia and depression most of my life. The dr gave me requip which made rls worse and then vistiril but I’m scared to take it. I just need sleep. I’ve slept maybe 4 hours in 6 days. I’m an emotional wreck and need helps asap. Thanks for quick response
Also, Benedryl has adverse effect on me. It wires me up to were I can’t sleep
Yes the smoke shops sometimes have good kratom. It’s hit or miss. A lot of the smoke shop kratom I’ve tried is absolutely terrible, but some of the smoke shops I’ve went to have really good kratom.
And remember, if you start taking kratom daily you will just get dependent upon opioids again. If you can use it responsibly 1-2 times a week maximum, then you won’t get a dependence to it. But it’s hard to resist because good kratom makes you feel amazing. I even like it better than opiates because it’s natural and it’s a great mood-boost.
Can be very addicting. I’m sorry you’re going through such a hard time and I’ve been in that situation. I still felt crappy months after getting off Suboxone and then I relapsed because I couldn’t take the depression anymore.
I’m going to post a link to an article that should really help you. And if you decide to use kratom even though you’re almost 3 weeks off Suboxone, please be mindful of the addiction potential. You’ve come so far and there are other natural things you can use that will help, which won’t be a potential new addiction.
How To Sleep During Opiate Withdrawal>>
Vistoril is nothing more than prescription Benedryl. You should be fine.
Mostly, people use it for pain relief because it appears to be a good painkiller or analgesic. Research says people have also reported taking kratom to help them avoid using drugs. Appreciate your efforts..Thanks for sharing..!!
I agree! Pain relief, coming off opiates, coming off alcohol and even some other drugs, and kratom is also used as a natural remedy for anxiety and depression. One plant…many uses.
Kratom is amazing! For detox i stongly recommend the Green Maylay strain. It can make all your woes dissappear, fast. I used it before the vitiman c protocol to victory.
What type of vitamin C protocol did you go with?