In this article, I’m going to teach you about the phenibut and kratom combination. Phenibut and kratom mixed together produces a legal high that is EXTREMELY POWERFUL.
The phenibut and kratom combination is commonly used to treat the opiate withdrawal syndrome, for pain relief, and for recreational use to get high.
After reading about opiate abusers using the phenibut and kratom mixture to relieve their withdrawal symptoms, I decided to try it out on myself before writing this article.
I’m somewhat of an “investigative blogger,” which means I do more than just research supplements…I actually try a lot of them out on myself, that way I can share my experiences of the effects, along with the important facts.
Phenibut and Kratom Articles
Within the past year, I researched and tested the effects of phenibut and kratom separately, and wrote individual articles on each of these substances, which I’ve linked to below for your convenience. Please review these articles for more detailed information on phenibut and kratom.
Phenibut and kratom articles:
The Phenibut and Kratom Combination
Phenibut and kratom by themselves can work VERY WELL at reducing opiate withdrawal symptoms, however, used together, they offer a synergistic effect that is much more powerful.
In this article, I’m going to teach you how mixing phenibut and kratom can produce a deep, natural feeling of euphoria that I believe can rival the high produced by prescription opioids and benzodiazepines.
Why do I say this? Well, because a week ago when I experimented on myself it felt like I took heroin and Xanax…no joke. I felt INCREDIBLE!!!
Note: I’m going to share my phenibut and kratom experience with you shortly, but first I would like to provide you with an overview of these substances.
Phenibut Overview
Phenibut is a neuropyschotropic drug that was discovered in Russia in the 1960’s. In 1975 phenibut was incorporated into the Russian cosmonauts’ kit for individuals who participated in the Apollo-Soyuz joint mission.
Since conventional tranquilizers for stress and anxiety can lead to feelings of drowsiness (not cool for people in spacecrafts), phenibut was mandated to be included in the Russian cosmonauts’ medical kit.
Note: Phenibut is widely used in Russia to relieve tension, anxiety, fear, to improve sleep, and as a pre- or post-operative medication. Phenibut is also used to treat depression and PTSD.
Phenibut Mechanism of Action
Phenibut is a central nervous system (CNS) depressant and derivative of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA). GABA is an inhibitory neurotransmitter that produces feelings of calmness and tranquility. GABA inhibits nerve transmission in the brain, thus calming nervous activity.
GABA is sold in supplement form, though the general consensus is that GABA supplements cannot penetrate the Blood Brain Barrier (BBB), so their efficacy is questionable. However, the Russian chemists found a way to create GABA-like supplements that can cross the BBB and function like GABA in the brain.
Note: Beta-phenyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid HCL, also known as phenibut, is a designer GABA analogue. Phenibut is the result of chemists adding a 6-carbon ring to the GABA supplement, thus allowing phenibut to effectively cross the barrier and act on GABA receptors.
Phenibut Risks and Effects
Some individuals have become addicted to phenibut. Furthermore, if you take phenibut for longer than three days in a row, you risk going through a terrible withdrawal syndrome.
This is interesting to me, and one reader even commented that his withdrawal from using phenibut for a week was worse than opiate withdrawal, so be careful with phenibut. It is meant to be cycled “3 days on, 3 days off.”
Phenibut has anxiolytic and nootropic (cognition-enhancing) effects. Phenibut acts directly on the GABAB receptor sites. Drugs and substances such as baclofen, GHB, and alcohol also bind to these sites.
Some believe that high doses of phenibut also bind to the GABAA receptors, which is where benzodiazepine drugs such as Valium, Ativan, Klonopin, and Xanax bind to, though this is a topic of debate in the scientific community.
Another exciting aspect of phenibut is it’s stimulating action on dopamine receptors, which causes an increase of dopamine, a key neurotransmitter for feeling pleasure, happiness, and motivation.
Phenibut supplementation can lead to the following benefits:
- Mental and physical relaxation
- Enhanced mood
- Sleep induction
- Reduction of stress
Note: Dosages of phenibut may vary depending on the individual’s GABA tolerance and sensitivity. Most individuals start with a low dosage of 500 mg to test your tolerance to phenibut, then work their way up to as much as 1,500 to 2,000 mg depending on how they handle it.
Kratom Overview
Kratom is an evergreen tree native to Southeast Asia, and is a member of the coffee family. Currently, kratom is not regulated by the Drug Enforcement Agency in the United States (making it legal).
Kratom is NOT AN OPIATE. Kratom, simply put, is an opioid agonist.
This is just a fancy term meaning that it mimics the effects of opioid drugs such as:
- Heroin
- Morphine
- Hydrocodone
- Oxycodone
You’ve probably heard of the following medications:
- Methadone
- Suboxone
- Subutex
Note: These are also opioid agonists, and they tend to eliminate opiate withdrawal symptoms and cravings especially well. The only problem is that many individuals are now stuck on these POWERFUL MEDICATIONS, due to them being a lot harder to come off than one might think.
Mitragynine
Mitragynine, the major alkaloid in kratom, is a partial opioid agonist producing similar effects to morphine. An interesting minor alkaloid of kratom, 7-hyrdoxymitragynine, has been reported to be more potent than morphine.
Both kratom alkaloids activate supraspinal mu- and delta- opioid receptors, which is the main reason the plant alleviates withdrawal symptoms so well.
To sum things up, kratom is not an opiate, however, it binds to the same opioid receptors that drugs such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, heroin, methadone, and Suboxone bind to. Thus, kratom is a legal plant that can stop opiate withdrawal within minutes.
Kratom Risks and Effects
I will warn you with a good dose of caution, however, that many individuals are addicted to kratom. If you take too much for too long, it can even cause a horrible withdrawal syndrome very similar to opiate withdrawal.
People can develop addictions to kratom because the effects can be quite nice, and though I’ve never become addicted to it while testing different strains and dosages, I can see why many people abuse it.
Kratom effects include the following:
- Euphoria
- Pain Relief
- Sedation
- Mood-enhancement
- Mental stimulation
Note: The kratom effects vary depending on the strain and dosage used. For instance, lower dosages in the 2-6 gram range could produce stimulating effects, while higher dosages from 7-10 grams or more can lead to more pain relief and sedation.
*Furthermore, the red kratom strains tend to be the most sedating, while the white strains are typically more stimulating. The green strains are typically not as stimulating as white strains, and not as sedating as red ones, and fall somewhere in the middle of the two.
Biochemical Uniqueness
There are many different strains of kratom to choose from. Kratom has become extremely popular, and there is an abundance of different strains available online and in smoke shops. As I previously mentioned, different strains have different effects.
Along with this, each human being has their own individual biochemical makeup.
Thus, the same kratom strain and dosage might make one person feel ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, while it could make another person sick to their stomach. There really is no way to know how you will respond to a particular strain or dosage until you try it.
My Experience Combining Phenibut and Kratom
A week ago I combined phenibut and kratom and the experience was INCREDIBLE. I waited about three hours after I ate lunch, then took 7.5 grams of Classic Red Bali along with 1.5 grams of phenibut.
I took them on an empty stomach 60 minutes before eating my next meal because they are better absorbed this way…which leads to getting the full effects.
The Buzz
After about 65 minutes I was flying HIGH and couldn’t believe how good I felt. In the past, when I used phenibut by itself I liked the effects a little, but it wasn’t some amazing experience. Furthermore, in the past using kratom alone, I liked the effects sometimes, and other times I didn’t like it…
Which depended on the strain, dosage, quality, etc. Once the effects kicked in from the phenibut and kratom combination, it was pure BLISS.
The kratom strain and dosage provided the following effects:
- Mood-boost
- Euphoria
- Mental stimulation
- Analgesia
The phenibut provided the following benefits:
- Sedation
- Muscle relaxation
- Deep sense of calm and well-being
Thus, in my personal experience, I felt just as good (if not better) than times in the past taking prescription opiates and benzos together. For me, this was always my “match made in Heaven.”
How to use Phenibut and Kratom for Opiate Withdrawal
If you’re interested in using phenibut and kratom for opiate withdrawal, I recommend reviewing the following articles which I linked to earlier:
Phenibut and Kratom Precautions
The phenibut and kratom combination is very powerful and potentially addictive. If you’re using it for opiate withdrawal, it might be hard to discontinue it if you like the effects as much as I did. Thus, using phenibut and kratom together could lead some individuals to a “replacement addiction.”
Furthermore, this synergistic combo is so powerful that you have to be careful with the dosing. If you take too much of either one, you could have a very unpleasant (and potentially dangerous) experience.
However, phenibut and kratom used responsibly could totally eliminate the opiate withdrawal syndrome, which could really save your butt if you run out of opiates unexpectedly.
If you have any questions on phenibut and kratom, feel free to post them in the comment box below.
How long did the high last?
Several hours.
Hey Matt been following you for years I have a 2 part question first you said in this blog your took 7.5 grams of red Bali and 1.5 grams of phenibut. Is this your first dose experience with this 2 drugs or did you build your tolerance up to 7.5 grams of Kratom then built up to 1.5 grams of phenibut or is that the amount anyone should take to experience these effects. Part 2. I feel I may be dosing wrong. But I take about 14 grams of Kratom a day spread out over 6 to 8 doses starting with 3 grams first then 2 grams in a few hours then 1.5 grams the 2 grams then 3 grams them 2.5 grams then 1 gram each dose releases opioid WD for about 2 hours the I re dose and the WD goes away but I have NEVER felt good euphoria or mental clarity or increased mood or energy NEVER. And I have tired 6 different vendors and countless strains . As for Phenibut my very first day i took 250mg and felt nothing day 2 I took 750mg 3 hours later felt nothing took 250mg more 2 hours later took 250 mg more for a total of 1.25mg on day 2 again feeling nothing but a slight headache and a kinda numb head sensation but no sense of well being no euphoria no energy or mental clarity or motivation at all. I fear maybe I’m never giving myself a big enough dose to actually feel anything. I haven’t taken phenibut in 3 days so what would you recommend I do?
How do you deal with kratom withdrawal
I don’t because I have never not taken Kratom.
Love your site and this approach to using Phenibut and Kratom. Could you please advise how to cycle it? And for just personal use as a nootropic/supplement and not for Opiate withdrawl? Much thanks too!
I am having a second infected wisdom tooth extracted; any advice or suggestions you offer to alleviate the pain are appreciated. I need the analgesic properties, the euphoric effects are secondary. I am in excellent health and jog regularly I weigh 250 pounds. My new dentist refuses to prescribe opiates. My old dentist gave me codeine. I don’t have the words to express how painful removing the first tooth was and canceled the second operation until I can try a pain killer that really stops pain. I tried this for the first extraction it did not work, it was PURE BULL SHIT for me: 2,000mg Ibuprofen, plus 1,000mg Acetaminophen plus Nitric Oxide plus several shots of Lidocaine (fail). Thank you, Richard
I’d ditch that psychopathic dentist and get one with actual common sense and empathy for their patients, if I were you.
Easier said than done. If you’re poor like me and millions of other Americans. Social Security, food stamps, and Medicare doesn’t cover dental work. I can get all the heroin and pot I want but a legal prescription for a legitimate need is beyond our grasp. That is why I looking for an alternate option for pain relief. Is there anyone out there who can help us? Sympathy is nice but when you’re having an infected molar drilled in half and the parts ripped from the bone by a Student Dentist at a University it’s no help at all. That is why I am asking about the strongest Phenibut & Kratom Combination for severe pain. Thanks again R.
I feel you bro. I’m in the same boat. I pray you got some relief from that hell of a situation. I know how hard it is to not cop heroin and just get numb. It’s not worth it. Stick with the kratom. Much love and respect…
OMGOSH….WHAT KIND OF DENTIST WILL NOT GIVE PAIN MEDS AFTER PULLING A WISDOM TOOTH….WOW.
That really is insane. I think someone would have to be a sadist yo not emphathise with a patient going through that kind of procedure. I was in recovery when I had my top 2 wisdom teeth removed so I resisted taking the hydrocodone I was prescribed. I had been in somewhat serious pain before, having broken my collar bone, a torn hamstring and Achilles, and 3” deep puncture wound through the arch on my foot and a somewhat serious grease burn across my forearm, all on separate occasions. I foolishly thought I would be able to “tough it out” with the wisdom teeth operation because I was able to do so with the past injuries that were quite painful. Wow I was wrong, I gave in to the pain and took double my hydrocodone dose within just a couple of hours. I don’t know what I would have done without a narcotic painkiller during that time. That dentist sounds like a complete sadist.
hello i have a question i have been using vicodins 10mg about 8tablets a day i recently cut back to 4 tablets then on february 6th i went cold turkey the first day was so hard i could barley get out of bed the second day was the same horrible however i ended up taking 2tablets of tramadol 50mg and that did help i am currently on day 3 i took 2 tablets of the 50mg tramadol again this morning and feel ok, however i am now out of tramadols so i was wondering if i ruined my progress by taking the tramadols ?and if i do not take any tomorrow will i have to experience all the withdrawals again from the beginning?
I don’t think so. Progress is progress. Tramadol is very weak and usually the first few days are the worst. I went from 12-15 Norco 10s a day to none just use kratom and I’m doing ok. Just bought phinibut so we shall see. Try kratom. Go on Reddit and look for vendor recommendations. Good luck
When you talk about kratom and phenibut in this way, like it gets you messed up like a hard narcotic and how much you love to get high, you are doing a serious disservice to these substances legitimise. Some people use them responsibly like medicine, and when you spread untuths about addiction and glamourize abusing them it makes everyone who uses them look bad.
Jon,
Your comment makes no sense to me, as all throughout this blog kratom and phenibut is suggested as a good way to fight opiate withdrawal symptoms. However, I do absolutely believe that caution should be used in order to try to avoid a physical dependence.
~Mary
OAS RECOVERY SPECIALIST
His comment makes no sense? It makes perfect sense to me. He specifically stated that the combo felt like Xanax and heroin. Glorifying that deadly combo. He’s talking to current or recovered addicts.
Jon, all due respect, truly, but how can you be the judge of how one chooses to fight thru an addiction? If we’re being Honest, of course we all (addicts) liked what the drugs did for us, that’s why we kept doing them right? I know that it quickly changes from enjoying a buzz on something, to NEEDING that something just to function. Really don’t even get the buzz at all anymore. I get that, it sucks, but if one chooses to take a substance(s) and happens to feel good, or get some relief somehow, is that necessarily a bad thing? Is he “glamorizing”the substance, or just being honest? Of course too much of anything will leave you an addict, but is a brief moment of contentment, or tranquility that escapes so many of us a negative thing? I say it’s not, in fact I believe the opposite. Imagine a 12-step meeting without coffee or cigarettes….both are drugs, but somehow those two particular drugs are acceptable? I would never chastise someone for drinking coffee, just as I wouldn’t to someone using kratom or phenubut, or both. Let people live Jon,I implore you. Life is hard enough without feeling the need to police others’ actions. Just for today, I only have to concern myself with myself, the responsibility of saving everyone around me is simply too much….(sounds pompous and selfish, but if we don’t take care of ourselves, what use can we be to others?)
Could not agree more. Especially with the current situation involving the FDA trying to paint kratom as the next devil’s lettuce.
Great information here. I sense much compassion. If anyone is looking for a seriously excellent kratom vendor, I strongly suggest LifeForce Kratom. They are a husband and wife who really take pride in having the best kratom and THE BEST customer service! Plus, ask them and they will throw in a few samples of various strains! Personally, their Maeng Da Borneo puts me in the exact place that I lived for 10 years as an IV dilaudid (and occasional heroin) addict! It truly is a gift from God. I’m free now. And I’ve tried probably 30 vendors over the years, and every available strain, etc. I’m not affiliated with LifeForce in any way. I simply wish to help anyone who’s searching for the real deal. Also, there’s a youtuber named MentholKratom who offers excellent reviews of vendors, strains, effects, price comparisons, et al. Good luck to you all.
Hey when ordering your faborite strain from life force what kind of dosage gets you right? I am also an iv dilaudid addict …got some red bali kratom powder from the gas station and im not impressed….lol…help! Thku! -Sara
How much phinbut and ktatom do I need for recreational fun
I was addicted to Norco and Xanax. Stopped both with Kratom, but now I’m hooked on Kratom! BEWARE!
Not certain but isn’t that a huge improvement, from xrug addiction of potentially deadly drugs to a safe plant? I hope you can sort it out and ditch the kratom dependence too.
Hey Matt. I know n love what you’re saying. I hope tons of people are being helped. I have narcolepsy/cataplexy, n over the years my cpm meds stopped, which led to dependency to methadone for 6years. Now that I have to get off Methadone, because they are treating me with Xyrem(GHB), I would like to use Kratom. I have in the past and I also see it as a potential for my narcolepsy and pain. However, I live in Indiana. Any suggestions?
I have looked on the sites that go to the links that are here and both sites are out. Can you direct me to another place please. Phenibut is out of stock and so it the Krotom.
I don’t like the combination, not at all. I suppose it depends on what you’re looking for. The phenibut I have gives me a rather strong benzodiazepine effect(literally identical to Librium); that effect fights against kratom’s ‘peppiness’ — and it wins. If you enjoy benzo lethargy then I’m sure you will like the combination. I don’t. Thank you for reading.
Kratom and Australia is impossible -right?
Hi Matt! I am a huge fan of what you do and your holistic approach to detox. For the past year I’ve been trying to detox off 60 mg of methadone. Recently I came across your article about using kratom for detox relief. I ordered some kratom a few days ago and it should be here any day now. The clinic I go to requires women who are on a tapering schedule to take monthly pregnancy tests along with their monthly U/As. Too my shock and dismay yesterday I found out I was pregnant. I have been with my husband for ten years. He is a non user and has never used anything except marijuana. We both agree that we do not want to have a baby on methadone. The clinic I go to is making me stop my taper, which I’m at 40 mgs, tapering down 1 mg a week. they are saying that the chances of miscarriage in the first trimester are higher if you are experiencing withdrawal symptoms. My question to you is, which probably isn’t recommended, but in your opinion is kratom safe to take while pregnant to control withdrawal symptoms. I feel better taking a natural supplement than a synthetic opiate that will cause my baby distress once delivered. I’d like to get off the methadone before giving birth so my baby won’t go through the pain of withdrawal. It breaks my heart to think of an innocent baby going through that. I’m hoping that if I can control my withdrawal symptoms my baby won’t be in distress and I can successfully stop taking this awful drug. All of the other forums or websites I’ve found are filled with judgemental people who are calling me a bad person for getting pregnant while on methadone or western medical professionals that are stuck in the mindset that methadone is the only way and holistic medicine doesn’t work. I wasn’t planning for this to happen. Thankyou so much in advance for your time and advice! I look forward to hearing back from you.
I went and got help after I found out I was pregnant, I was taking many Percocet and tabs a day, very high dosage, but we never took me over 20 mg of method one, I dealt with the light withdrawals and a healthy baby at 9 months, no problems, she had to stay in the special unit an extra day to watch her but thank God for my blessing she never should any symptoms, she is now 4′ healthy and smart, and sassy. After I had the baby they switched me to sub oxen. U can do this, just believe. U are stronger than u think, and how far u can make ya self go for ya child is forever long.
I need to start by sincerely thanking you. It wasn’t until I came across your site, that I even thought that I could get off methadone! Was prescribed 9 years ago for chronic pain. My highest doses were at 100mg a day, but in the last year have tapered to 40;then down to 20mg a day. I purchased Elimadrol, Bali Kratom, and lots of vitamin C and decided on Tuesday of last week that that would be my jump off. Did everything down to the “t” and midway through realized in order to complete this journey once and for all it was going to take a little more Kratom. I ordered it right a way but to no avail… I was exactly a week meth free but still had two days to wait for my Kratom. Was still in withdrawal after 7days…noticed it obviously not having the Kratom to fall back on. Worse thing was lack of sleep. Other than that…I truly thought I was a winner! I am a mother of a very active 13 year old and can’t let this effect her life, so I ended up taking one 10 mg. methadone tablet to get me through until my Kratom arrives. The next day(which is today) I took another 10mg and that will be all, as my order will be here tomorrow. I cried as I took the pill, not knowing if I have completely lost all grip of how far I have come. To me, a week without meth was a great accomplishment. I am obsessed with getting off this stuff and won’t quit until I am. During this whole process I have had a full prescription of my methadone put away and not once even considered falling back, until, of course, I ran out of my Kratom. So I AM TRUELY READY to be done with it.
I have two questions: after being a week clean, will I feel the effects of withdrawal because of the 20mg. that I have taken all over again or might it be less intense?
Did I sabotage how far I have come?
And also, could you recommend anything from the Nootropics site for me at this point in my journey? (Even in the weeks to come) Alone or stacking some.
I ordered more Bali and a little white Borneo and also Phenibute tablets for sleep. Just didn’t order soon enough.
Thank you again. I hope you know how many people and families you touch in such a mighty way! God Bless you!
1) I’m not sure if you will feel the effects of withdrawal, as everyone is different and there is no way for me to know. I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you. Either you feel ok or lousy, but worrying will just make it worse. Plus, as you know there are many things you can do to reduce the symptoms.
2) As far as the nootropics site products go, I believe they have L-Theanine, a supplement that relaxes the body and mind. It’s been shown in studies to reduce opiate withdrawal symptoms.
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. This comment is for informational use only. It’s not intended to treat, diagnose, or prevent any disease. Always check with your doctor before changing your diet, trying any new supplements, medications, exercise or opiate tapering programs.
Hey! Good for you! This is a bit of a late comment, but as I have run across this page looking for knowledge today, a lot of people probably do. Just wanted to mention that while kratom is an amazing supplement for wds, i ended up replacing my other habit with a kratom habit. It is herbal and much safer that other opioid agonists, but it is still addictive, and the wds off it can sometimes almost compare to the wds from “real” opiates, at least imhe. It is a hell of a lot better thing to be married to due to cheapness and legality, however. Anyway, good luck everyone.
Very proud of you sister. I know how it is. I use kratom to come off methadone three years ago. I’m a single dad raising my boy on my own so I understand not being able to let withdrawals effect your kids life. Kratom helps tremendously. My boy will be 13 soon. Glory to God. Praying you got of the meth. Many blessings