In this article, I’m going to teach you how to stop Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates, also known as opiate PAWS. Many opiate abusers have successfully managed to get past the acute opiate withdrawal phase, only to realize that the struggle was far from being over. Though the symptoms, duration, and severity vary, an estimated 90% of all opiate abusers experience opiate PAWS to some degree after the acute withdrawal is over.
Do not fear! If you’re suffering from Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates, the strategies I provide in this article can help you to quickly reverse opiate PAWS symptoms. My plan for reversing opiate PAWS is all-natural, powerful, easy…and it works FAST.
If you follow the steps I’ve outlined, you should be well on your way to reversing Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates. As an added bonus, you’ll also be able to experience a great enhancement in mental, physical, emotional and spiritual health…
What is Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from Opiates?
To accurately and simply define opiate PAWS, let’s break down the meaning of each individual word:
- Post – “After”
- Acute – “Very serious or dangerous; requiring serious attention or action”
- Withdrawal – “The discontinuance of administration or use of a drug”
- Syndrome – “A group of symptoms”
- Opiates – “Narcotic painkilling drugs”
Simply put, opiate PAWS is a group of symptoms that occur after an individual has gone through the serious withdrawal phase induced by the discontinuation of narcotic drugs. In his popular book, Staying Sober: A Guide for Relapse Prevention
, Terence Gorski states the following:
Post-acute withdrawal is a group of symptoms of addictive disease that occur as a result of abstinence from addictive chemicals. In the alcoholic/addict these symptoms appear seven to fourteen days into abstinence, after stabilization from the acute withdrawal. Post-acute withdrawal is a bio/psycho/social syndrome. It results from a combination of damage to the nervous system caused by alcohol or drugs and the psychosocial stress of coping with life without drugs or alcohol.”
Opiate PAWS Timeline
Opiate PAWS can last anywhere from a few weeks to several years. In fact, there is even a possibility that opiate PAWS can continue for the rest of an individual’s life after quitting opiates. Unfortunately, there is really no way to determine how long it will last. However, do not be discouraged. My step-by-step plan for stopping opiate PAWS is powerful, and most people notice very positive results within days of using these natural methods.
Opiate PAWS Symptoms
There is a wide range of symptoms an individual might experience from opiate PAWS. Opiate PAWS symptoms will vary from person to person. Opiate PAWS symptoms will also vary in severity from person to person.
Some common symptoms that occur from opiate PAWS are:
- Inability to think clearly
- Memory problems
- Emotional overreactions or numbness
- Physical coordination problems
- Stress sensitivity
- Fatigue
- Anxiety
- Depression
- Insomnia
- Increased susceptibility to emotional and physical pain
- Gastrointestinal (GI) issues
- Intense cravings to use opiates
- Drug dreams
- Hostility
- Inability to experience pleasure (“pleasure deafness”)
I strongly believe that the last symptom (“pleasure deafness”) is the #1 reason why most individuals with opiate PAWS relapse within the first 90 days of getting sober. Going weeks to months without feeling any pleasure in life is in my opinion more detrimental to recovery than any other symptom.
But combine “pleasure deafness” with a multitude of other mental and physical symptoms, and you can easily see why it’s so difficult to abstain from using opiates after you’ve quit. You see, opiate abuse and addiction can lead to severe biochemical imbalances in the body.
Brain function becomes deteriorated from the daily abuse of opiates, and opiate PAWS symptoms accurately reflect this. Trying to live life sober can be extremely stressful and unpleasant when your biochemistry is functioning from such a disrupted state. Luckily, there are extremely powerful natural methods for re-establishing healthy brain chemistry in persons suffering from Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates.
My Experience with Opiate Paws
I was first addicted to Rx opiates, then towards the end of my addiction, I was using a gram of heroin per day. I tried to get clean many times, but the opiate PAWS symptoms were too severe, and I commonly relapsed within a few weeks to a few months after quitting opiates. The last time I got clean was over three years ago, and as a result of employing powerful and natural methods, I was finally able to enjoy being off opiates without enduring opiate PAWS symptoms.
Since then I’ve made it my life’s mission and purpose to help others recover from opiate addiction using these natural techniques.
Over the past three-plus years I’ve achieved the following certifications in recovery:
- Certified Substance Abuse Counselor
- Certified Strategic Intervention Coach
- Certified Level 2 Qigong Instructor
- Certified Advanced Food-Based Healing Instructor; with a specialty in nutrition and supplementation for opiate addiction
Note: I developed this plan based on my own personal recovery from opiate addiction, combined with all of the research I’ve down over the past several years. Since Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates is a bio/psycho/social syndrome, my step-by-step plan consists of a bio/psycho/social treatment approach. I know you will find the following steps extremely beneficial for reversing opiate PAWS…
Step 1: Take an Opiate Recovery Supplement
The number one most effective way to decrease opiate PAWS symptoms is to take an Opiate Recovery Supplement. These supplements contain a natural blend of nutrients specifically designed to ease symptoms of both acute and post-acute opiate withdrawal.
Opiate Recovery Supplements may provide you with the following benefits during opiate PAWS:
- Enhances Mood
- Promotes healthy digestion and appetite
- Increases natural energy and focus
- Calms anxiety
- Restores dopamine, GABA, and serotonin production quickly
- Reverses depression
- Reverses insomnia and helps you get more restorative sleep
Step 2: Take DL-Phenylalanine
Post-Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates leads to many biochemical imbalances. Primarily, long-term opiate abuse creates a severe endorphin and dopamine deficiency in the user. Fortunately, I’ve found an incredible supplement that treats both of these deficiencies.
Dl-Phenylalanine (DLPA)
is a combination supplement consisting of both the D- and L- forms of the amino acid phenylalanine.
The L- form is found in protein-rich foods such as turkey, chicken, beef, and fish. L-Phenylalanine increases the amount of dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine in the brain. These are neurotransmitters that promote feelings of pleasure, focus, natural energy and mental stimulation. They also help the body respond to both physical and mental stress.
D-phenylalanine is made synthetically in laboratories, and it serves a very important function in opiate PAWS. D-Phenylalanine blocks certain enzymes in the body from destroying endorphins. Therefore, taking DLPA during opiate PAWS can result in a massive increase in endorphins. I absolutely LOVE this supplement for opiate PAWS.
Note: Take 500 – 2,000 mg on an empty stomach an hour before meals 1-3 times per day to treat opiate PAWS symptoms.
Step 3: Take the Triangle
PAWS symptoms originate from a combination of biochemical imbalances caused or exacerbated by opioid abuse and stress. It’s important to take a powerful multivitamin supplement while you’re suffering from PAWS. A multivitamin can provide you with many essential nutrients that are required for psychological and physiological health.
The Triangle is my absolute favorite supplement in this category. I take it every single day, and this should absolutely be taken during PAWS.
There are three products that you take daily which are synergistic and extremely powerful:
- Sunrise
- Nitro
- Sunset
Product Benefits:
- Helps boost energy
- Enables effective stress management
- Supports cognitive function
- Increases cellular support
- Helps reduce inflammation
- Supports immune system
- Encourages healthy digestion
- Maintains heart health
- Improves nutrient absorption
- Helps maintain healthy blood sugar levels
- Increases sexual function (added bonus!)
PAWS dosing guidelines:
- First thing upon waking, take 20 drops of Nitro Xtreme
- After taking the Nitro, drink one packet of Sunrise
- In the afternoon, take 20 drops of Nitro.
- In the evening, take 20 drops of Nitro just before dinner, then take 3 Sunsets after dinner.
Step 5: Eat Healthy Foods
Consuming nutritious foods and beverages is a very effective way to reverse Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates. Everyone is biochemically unique, so there is no perfect diet for the general masses. However, there are certain guidelines that everyone should implement for increased health and wellness.
When it comes to easing opiate PAWS symptoms, the following suggestions can help in a major way:
- Focus on organic whole foods.
- Consume at least 20-30 grams of protein 2-3 times per day to produce endorphins and other mood-enhancing chemicals in the brain.
- Make sure to consume healthy fats.
- Drink plenty of water (at least half of your body weight (lbs.) in ounces per day).
- Free-range meats and wild-caught fish are recommended.
- Chew your food slowly (most of the nutrition from food is not absorbed if you don’t chew well).
- Sip on beverages (don’t chug).
- Wait at least 30 minutes after eating to consume beverages (liquid with meals dilutes digestive juices).
- Don’t drink ice cold beverages (this slows digestion).
- Eliminate or decrease sugar, processed foods, refined carbohydrates, nicotine, caffeine, and alcohol.
- Eat plenty of fresh fruits and veggies.
Step 6: Exercise
Exercise is a crucial part of my plan for stopping opiate PAWS symptoms. Exercise can stimulate your body to produce endorphins (natural painkillers) within minutes. This will quickly help you to feel better during Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates. Choose a type of exercise that you enjoy, that way you’re more likely to stick with it. Some great examples are swimming, walking, jogging, yoga and weight-training.
Make sure you exercise a few days per week to get the following benefits during opiate PAWS:
- Improves mood
- Boosts endorphins (natural pain-killers)
- Improves sleep
- Reduces pain (both physical and emotional)
- Promotes well-being
- Reverses anxiety
- Reverses depression
- Increases energy
- Improves physique
- Boosts confidence
Step 7: Sleep Between 10 pm – 6 am
Insomnia is one of the most common symptoms, so I know how difficult it can be to sleep well during opiate PAWS. If you take the recommended supplements and tea, exercise and eat healthily, it will be much easier for you to fall and stay asleep. At this point, you should focus on getting to bed between 10-11 pm, and wake between 6-7 am.
Great quality sleep gives the body a chance to recover, repair and heal. The physiological recovery period is between 10 pm and 2 am. The psychological and nervous system recovery occurs between 2 am and 6 am. One of the main reasons people wake up sore, tired, and not mentally alert is because they’re going to bed late. If an individual is habitually going to bed at 12 am, they are missing out on two hours of repair and restoration every night. This compounds over time and can lead to many health problems as a result.
Note: To create more energy, positive emotions and overall health during opiate PAWS, make sure you get to bed by no later than 10:00 pm to 11:00 pm on a consistent basis. If you go to bed later than that every once in awhile it’s fine, just don’t make it a habit.
Step 8: Meditate
Meditation is immensely beneficial for easing opiate PAWS symptoms. Quieting the mind and focusing on slow, deep breathing can create a superabundance of positive mental and physical health benefits. Meditation allows you to go to that peaceful place within, the True Source. You can deeply connect with yourself and the universe in a cohesive way that integrates the mind, body, and soul. With all of the stress of opiate PAWS and living life without drugs, meditation can provide you with a sense of peace and fulfillment that nothing else comes close to.
To meditate during opiate PAWS, sit in a quiet room on a chair or cross-legged on the ground or a bed. Close your eyes and breathe slowly and deeply in and out through your nostrils. The trick is to clear your mind of all thoughts. Whenever you have a thought, simply clear your mind again. At first, it can be quite difficult, but with regular practice, you can really transcend reality into the void.
Note: Meditate for 10-60 minutes per day. Early morning upon waking is the suggested meditation time.
Step 9: Write in a Journal
Journaling can totally help decrease opiate PAWS symptoms. Keeping a journal and writing down your thoughts and feelings can benefit you in your recovery. It’s a very effective form of self-therapy that costs only a few dollars to start and takes just minutes per day. The type of journaling I’m referring to is not simply writing down what you did during the day.
Instead, try using some of the following techniques:
- Write out your fears, worries, resentments, and insecurities.
- Set goals and action steps to achieve them.
- List things you’re grateful for.
- Do free-association – write whatever comes to your mind without thinking about it.
Note: If you’re not used to journaling, it might seem pointless at first. Stick with it! This is a powerful form of self-therapy, and you will get better at it with regular practice.
Step 10: Listen to Music
Listening to music can do wonders for opiate PAWS symptoms.
Research suggests that music can:
- Reduce the perceived intensity of pain.
- Improve sleep quality – A study on college students showed that listening to classical music helped with insomnia.
- Reduce stress – Research found it does this by triggering biochemical stress reducers.
- Relieve depression and elevate mood – A study done in 2013 indicated that music helped put people in a more positive mood and got them more in touch with their feelings.
Step 11: Talk to a Counselor, Therapist, or Recovery Coach
Talking to a trained professional about your opiate PAWS can help considerably. I’ve found that most opiate abusers use narcotics to cover up emotional pain, stress and past trauma (though this is not always the case). Once you’ve addressed the physical aspect of your opiate PAWS recovery (supplements, diet, exercise, sleep), you could greatly benefit from seeing someone (counselor, therapist, or recovery coach) with a specialty in opiate PAWS.
Note: I’m a Certified Strategic Intervention Coach that specializes in opiate addiction, opiate withdrawal, opiate PAWS, and opiate recovery.
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Step 12: Focus on Growing
I’m a strong advocate for personal growth. Opiate PAWS can go away quickly if you focus on growing to become your best self. Personal development refers to enhancing your talents and potential to create a better quality of life and realize your dreams.
It includes, but is not limited to the following:
- Developing strengths
- Learning new skills and improving existing ones
- Improving wealth
- Spiritual development
- Building and strengthening identity and self-esteem
- Improving self-knowledge and self-awareness
- Improving physical, mental and emotional health
- Becoming a self-leader
Step 13: Read Self-Help Books
Reading books can help to feed your mind and expand your model of the world. One of my sayings is “personal growth is the antidote to addiction”. How do you recover from addiction? Simply outgrow it. Self-help books contain strategies for overcoming obstacles. They are rich with information and tools for transforming your life. Do yourself a favor and read books to help you recover from Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates.
Step 14: Contribute
The quickest way to get out of your own head and problems is to focus on someone else. Opiate PAWS symptoms like depression and anxiety dissipate while you’re contributing to the well being of a person, a group of people, your community or the environment. I urge you to harness the power of contribution as part of your bio/psycho/social opiate PAWS treatment plan. Contribution can give you marvelous feelings of happiness, fulfillment, and purpose, and these feelings destroy many of the psychological opiate PAWS symptoms.
Step 15: Go Barefoot in Nature
Opiate PAWS symptoms can be healed in nature. Many studies have concluded that being in contact with nature can lead to positive emotions such as happiness and tranquility. Too often we forget about the importance of nourishing our bodies and minds in the cleansing atmosphere that nature provides for us. Spending time in parks, forests, deserts, mountains, and beaches can have immediate effects on easing symptoms of Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates.
While spending time in nature is beneficial, touching your bare feet to the Earth has been shown to significantly improve many functions in the body.
In the article The Ultimate Antioxidant: Fight Premature Aging for Free, Dr. Joseph Mercola states the following:
Do you notice you feel better when you walk barefoot on the Earth? Recent research has explained why this happens. Your immune system functions optimally when your body has an adequate supply of electrons, which are easily and naturally obtained by barefoot contact with the Earth. Research indicates that electrons from the Earth have antioxidant effects that can protect your body from inflammation and it’s many well-documented health consequences.
For most of our evolutionary history, humans have had continuous contact with the Earth. It is only recently that substances such as asphalt, wood, rugs and plastics have separated us from this contact. It is known that the Earth maintains a negative electrical potential on it’s surface. When you are in direct contact with the ground (walking, laying, or sitting down on the Earth’s surface) the earth’s electrons are conducted to your body, bringing it to the same electrical potential as the Earth. Living in direct contact with the Earth grounds your body, inducing favorable physiological and electrophysiological changes that promote optimum health.”
Step 16: Spend Time Connecting with Friends and Family
The process of recovering from opiate PAWS can be sped up if you nurture healthy relationships with friends and family members. It’s very common for individuals with opiate PAWS to isolate. But worse still, some continue to hang out with the same old friends who still use drugs and make other poor decisions in life. To make a healthy recovery from Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates, focus on eliminating unhealthy and toxic relationships. Instead, devote your energy towards spending time only with people that are a good influence on you.
Step 17: Engage in Fun Recreational Activities
A holistic recovery from opiate PAWS involves spending time doing things that bring you joy. It can be easy to get caught up living in reaction to life. Responsibilities and demands can take up most of your time if you’re not careful. Make sure you schedule fun recreational activities into your opiate PAWS recovery plan.
Some examples include:
- Going to the movies
- Rollerskating
- Playing board games
- Playing a musical instrument or singing
- Drawing, painting or other types of art
- Hanging out at the beach
- Bowling
- Going out to dinner with friends
- Playing video games
- Surfing
Conclusion
If you even follow half of the above-mentioned steps, you should be well on your way to a healthy recovery from Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates. I know it’s a lot to take in and implement into your life, so take things one step at a time. Recovering from opiate PAWS is a process.
You didn’t become addicted to opiates overnight, so recovery will take some time. Be patient, measure your progress, and celebrate victories along the way. Good luck…and I would love to hear any questions or comments that you might have regarding Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome from opiates.
Mat
Here’s my story..
2001 I injured my shoulder bad. I went through 2 surgeries and was put in pain management. 80 mg oxycodone a day. I started to use more and found myself buying opiate narcotics in the street. I lasted about 4 years before I went in to a suboxone treatment program in 2006 and came out relatively clean. Since then I got high here or there but nothing like before, no detox, no injecting. I still feet empty though. Since 2006 till now I got high maybe a dozen times and every time I did my body would shake and jones like I was on a hard core bender for months and was 3 days into crazy detox. My addiction came out in other places too. It’s like it never went away. I still feel the stomach churn, anxiety, digestive problems, I believe I have PTSD as well. Gambling, sex, video games, any kind of behavior I got myself involved in I took to the extreme. Like I was addicted to it, ya know? I eventually lose interest and find something new. If I put the energy and drive I put into my addiction into my work ethic or drive for success I’d be on top of the world. Instead I teeth grind and loose sleep. In November I hurt my knee. Bad. I’m almost 3 weeks post op and was on roxi for a total of 10 days. While I was on them every one noticed a difference in me. I was happy again. My wife lost her mind a few times, she thought I was a different person. It reminded me of how good my mood can be. How focused I can be. There’s a lot of noise in my head and taking a few mg of oxycodone made it disappear. I have a few questions. I was thinking about DLPA and l-tyrosine together. Do you think that would help with what I feel like is a 14 year low grade detox? I have anxiety, but I think it’s related to depression and an overwhelming feeling of helplessness. I feel like I don’t know what to do with myself which causes anxiety. Anxiety is a secondary symptom not root cause. My wife also showed me st John’s wort. So I was thinking about all 3. Could you reccomend dosage levels? Would you reccomend anything else or anything different? Also, i am randomly drug screened at my job. Eventually I will return to work. I can not fail a urine. Will any of the aforementioned supplements cause a false positive? And lastly, I may end up in pain management. There is a legitimate purpose to these meds and being injured twice to the point of needing surgery three times on 2 body parts showed me this. It’s 20 till 4am and I’m wide awake because my knee hurts. If I start dlpa and l-tyrosine and whatever you reccomend and I feel a benefit but still need help with pain what do I do?
Please advise. And thank you for reading a bit about me.
Just a comment on the hyper hydrosis. It is really bad. Does not matter summer or winter. I change 4 times a day. 8-11am then change drenched. I mean bra, underwear, shirt and shorts, again 1-3pm, 4-7pm, and then for bed drenched. I must get up around 3am and change. I do not get it. All from Methadone, no opioids.
Ann
I had this to eventually got to a low dose and it went away
Matt your dedication to this is a blessing and I thank you. I am here with my loved one as he detoxes from H. And I am so grateful to you and slightly scared. This is his second detox in 6 months and he was in rehab for H in 2007. So he is familiar with the process but I am not I have been here for him after detox and rehab but never through initial onset of withdrawal. We are on hour 42, and he has taken two half doses on suboxin 8/2 at appropriate time and it greatly decreases symptoms, but he woke this morning at 730 feeling bad again. He has been able to hold down moderate food and I’m am filling all I’ve read on your transcripts thus far to help. He came with many natural products, such as curcumin, ACF, elimidrol, mitragyna speciosa(Kratom). I am learning as I go, so I would so much appreciate some guidance through these nexts few days and hours. That is all the suboxin he has. He has natural and dr prescribed anxiety meds. We are trying to very clear of addition synthetic meds. At this point I’m not sure what to expect. He is sleeping and slept through most the night. I’m monitoring heart and BP. Please at your early convenience advice.
Hi there. 26 days clean from opiates, CT. Biggest issues now are lack of sleep, and the body aches (low back pain and what is prob RLS-achy legs, esp end of day and first thing in morning subsides after being awake about an hour). Will try to make hx brief. 3 year hx of oxycodone use. Pain management first year taking appropriately at only 50mg/day, by year 2-3 I was taking more, running out early and getting elsewhere. Max dose a day 300mg. Stopped CT 10/17, lasted 32 days, relapsed to 20-30mg/day Methadone for approx 4-5 months, stopped CT again 26 days ago. This time around acute WD was not nearly as severe but now 26 days later I feel sleep is worse, have tried numerous things (Benadryl, Klonopin-prescribed, Clonidine) all make me feel hung over, so I dumped my Klonopin, stopped taking Clonidine 3 days ago. Getting roughly 3-5 hrs sleep per night for past 26 days (out of bed by 3-4am). Legs aching feels like what is waking me, subsides after being up an hour or so, returns by mid-day and by evening almost unbearable. Have tried Motrin and Tylenol and it doesn’t help at all. Hot bath helps for maybe 30 minutes. I have been exercising daily for past couple weeks, maybe 30 minutes on treadmill, 30 minutes light stretches/floor exercises. Will add that I have always worked hard (job) for past 25 years, on feet, 14 hr shifts, but this addiction lead me to stop working and sitting on my ass for 2 1/2 years. Soooo, I’m hoping the body pain is related to being so sedentary for last 2 1/2 years and will improve. I guess my question is do you think it will? If so any estimation on when (I know everyone’s timeline is different)? I feel like I have only had one decent day in 26 days and I’m at my wits end. I returned to work for the first time in 2 1/2 years at only 2 days a week to start and by mid day I am ready to curl up in a ball from the aches and pains in my low back and legs, by the time I am off I’m useless and in extreme stress from the ache and not knowing how to cope with it. I know it’s good for me to be back to work, but I feel like my body and mind are in a constant state of stress/panic from the ache. Doesn’t help I’m not sleeping well. When does this get better or does it. I’m so afraid of relapse bc of how long it takes to feel better. Like everyone else going thru this I just want to feel normal again. Also, I tried L-Tyrosine, gave me terrible headaches even at only 500mg (I have hx of migraines), am taking Vitamins (D, Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc-mineral supp all combined, as well as a B complex elixir), have been introducing one every week. Was going to introduce Fish oil next, what do you think?
I think you sound just like me although I tapered down and have been CT for 12 days. On top of getting past the acute symptoms, I got the nastiest cold I’d had in a very long time. What I am having the hardest time with is sleep. The doctors (in all their whatever) have me remeron and seroquel. Neither work, good indica edibles still no, Benadryl-no chance, Kava – sadly another no. I am getting some sleep here and there but I do dream for the day when I sleep all night on my own. I am exhausted all the time but from everything I’ve read if we can just keep on the path and be as healthy as we can as long as we don’t relapse (not an option for me bc I can’t get any now anyway) it will get better. I am also hoping to be a stronger person than I was before.
Good luck!
Hello, and THANKYOU for the detail with which you have shared your personal journey with opiates. I have read your articles on “how to taper off suboxone like a champion” and “stop PAWS from opiates” and feel motivated and optimistic by your insight. BUT, I have concurrent disorders which I’m very afraid will be heightened when I finally fulfill my desire to be opiate free. (diagnosed with anxiety/depression bipolar, panic attacks with agorophobia, and BPD)I was a heroin user for 4 years then I went clean cold turkey for 10.5 years. After being the victim of a violent crime I began using again but this time I opted for methadone as a tool to help me avoid the harsh withdrawals. I was on methadone for 7 years and did not use drugs again. I totally worked on my bio/psycho/social/spiritual self during these years, also doing a couple rounds of dialectical behavioural training and one on one therapy etc. I just last week put myself through the 96 hours of withdrawal to transition to suboxone because I have been told by several doctors that it is much easier to taper off than the methadone was. I am concerned that I might never get off this vicious cycle of ORT and am looking for more insight.
At what stage of tapering from Suboxone do you start taking the Opiate Recovery Supplement?
As soon as you start to notice even the slightest symptoms from decreasing your dosage.
Wonderful article. Thank you for writing. There’s something about addiction being written by someone who has gone through it.
I’ve been using now for over 20 years. The longest I’ve been clean is about 4 years which was after being on methadone for 5 years. Horrible recovery and I do not recommend it.
I have this cycle of relapse that is like clockwork. I can fight the battle of getting clean it’s when serveal months past that I fail. It like I don’t see it as an enemy. I allow it back in. When live gets too hard and maybe a relationship isn’t going well. I use to change my feeling. Then nothing bothers me. I don’t care and only care about using. The relationship ends I’m alone using and I hit the bottom. Then I get clean. It’s a horrible existence. I want to be happy. I genuine natural happy. I’m sure the people I attract are because of image of what I project. I’m getting long-winded. I think it comes down to loving yourself something I don’t have. It’s difficult to love something you’ve hated your whole life. I’m so full of guilty. Thanks.
Thanks Anthony. I’m really glad you enjoyed it, and I thank you for commenting and giving feedback. And regarding what you wrote…
One thing that helped me after quitting then relapsing, and so on and so forth, is to change my values. This last and final time I quit, I got deep into Health, Fitness, and Personal Development. I totally changed my mindset and became a person that really valued HEALTH! So no the thought of being unhealthy and addicted to drugs is not congruent with my values and beliefs. And yes, what you said about loving yourself is so true.
Have you heard of Louise Hay? She teaches people to do something called “the mirror exercise.” Where you get a handheld mirror, hold it up to your face, look into your eyes, and say “I love you” to yourself over and over again, and really mean it. She even says to say your name. So it would be “I love you. I love you Anthony.”
When I did this is made me feel very awkward at first, but it works really well. I highly recommend trying this Anthony. I want you to stay clean for life and never have to fall back into the habit of addiction again. Everyone can be happy without opiates. It takes work, but if you take the right action steps you can have this happiness and this RESOLVE to never use again for life. Wishing you the best my friend.
Matt, In trying to help my son he found this site and it has been amazing. He has not been using anything, it was heroin for about a year, for at least 2 years now, last year he started the calm support. He was able to stop using it or anything for about the last 6 months. Tell me how long can PAWS last, it’s like rogue cells or something triggers the release of one and then the physical stressors start and he feels so on edge. He has no desire to use any drugs at all, his counselors have tried a few antidepressent types of things they are not working. Im thinking its got something to do with the NAc functions or histamine. Do you have any suggestions?
Oh and this may be a dumb question, but when you mentioned drug dreams, were you referring to having dreams about drugs? I’m asking this because I’ve been having very weird dreams since I stopped taking the hydrocodone. But it could be the effects of the car accident. Thanks!
Hi! I stumbled upon this blog while googling stuff about Lortab withdrawals. I have a question about withdrawal but I wanted to share my story. I was in a car accident and was perscribed 5mg/325 mg of Lortab. I was taking about 3-4 pills a day (so that’s nearly 15mg/ 975 mg to 20mg/1300 mg a day) from December 25 to about the end of January. Then, I lowered the dose because I didn’t feel any pain. I stopped taking them completely on Feb 12th and I haven’t felt the same since. It began as excessive hunger, but I ignored that and just increased my food intake. Fatigue was also excessive. It reached its extreme by Feb 15. I was so tired, I thought I was gonna pass out. My body began to cramp and it felt like bugs were crawling on me. I went to the ER because I had no idea what was going on. I told them about the hydrocodone, and they told me that I was suffering from an electrolyte imbalance. Afterwards, I dealt with anxiety, crying spells, chills, etc. It’s been a month since I stopped taking the pills, but I’m still suffering from anxiety, restless legs, insomnia, and depression. Honestly, I still don’t know for sure if this was withdrawal. I only made this conclusion, because all of this happened after I stopped talking the pills. So my question is, is it normal to withdrawal from a drug I only took for a short period of time? Thanks!
I have a question regarding the severe pain of withdrawals from Norco. I keep getting super sharp shots of pain that feels like I’m being stabbed with a needle. It’s completely random and it seems like it can happen almost anywhere. It doesn’t really feel like a muscle cramp b/c it seems to be at the skin level, sort of like the itchiness people often experience with opiates, only amplified a crazy amount. I would love to taper down slowly to get off this stuff, but every time I take a pill now I get the symptom above when I’m coming down off the high. It’s like withdrawing after every dose. I may be tapering too fast, but even if I plateau for a while I can’t seem to get any respite from the pain. Can anyone explain to me what is going on? I know about opioid-induced hyperalgesia and have heard that paws can increase pain sensitivity. It’s just weird that I never see anyone else relating a similar experience in any of the forums I’ve read. To provide perspective, I’ve had a script for a few years now and routinely blow through it in 2-3 weeks, causing withdrawals pre refill. I have dlpa, tyrosine and lyrica at my disposal. Any insight would be extremely helpful.
I’m currently on day one detoxing from heroin, been battling this disease for a decade but beat it for 6 years then hung out with the wrong friend and thought I could do some socially then fell right back into the trap of repeatedly spending every dollar I have to not detox… I’m a college student pursuing my bachelor’s degree and have to get through this again. I have gabapentin I’m taking that’s helping with the RLS and colonodine thankfully… I don’t ever want to put myself through this again! I now see and understand how ppl graduate to heroin bc pills become scarce and tolerances build up… I’ve got to overcome this. Reading all the comments have given me some confidence that I can and will overcome this… I don’t want to become the girl who’s selling all her stuff to get packs… Going through detox definitely makes you find yourself and a higher power bc of all the emotions we’ve been numbing…. It’s nice to know I’m not alone but at the same time I want everyone to succeed getting off this junk… God grant you all serenity!!
Great attitude Nicole!!!! Thanks for commenting! 🙂
Hello, If I purchase and use Cam support is it recommended to use these other supplements or herbs at the same time? DLPA, L-Tyrosine, L-Dopa, Mucuna Pruriens. 5htp, 5. Consider these Valarian Root, Passionflower, and kava
I would still use the DLPA but the others…no. Calm Support contains those or nutrients that do the same thing. But DLPA is key!!
Matt GREAT to see you posting again !!!
Greg
Thanks Greg! It’s great to be posting again. 🙂
I want to start by saying thank you. thank you for using your own experience to help others! i love the fact that you yourself have been through what were going through.
anyways, I have been clean from morphine for 9 days. I was using intervainously everyday for almost 2 years. some days I would only use 15mg (my grandma would give me 1 a day to keep from withdrawing until I could find some to buy) most days though I would usually use around 90-300mg obviously it depended on who was selling theirs at the time. so, 9 days for me is incredible! this is by FAR the longest I’ve ever gone (since I started using obviously) I made it to day 3 a few times, which until now was the longest I ever went. those day 3 withdrawals got me every time! The non stop crying for NO reason! I would cry because i was crying :/ plus the vomiting and the START of the leg cramps (which until NOW I always thought day 3 leg cramps were THE WORSE THING EVER.. little did I know) anyways, I am ecstatic that I came across this page because I’ve never experienced opiate withdrawals past 3 days before so Im not sure if the things I’m experiencing are related to the withdrawals or what to expect next. I read everything you wrote though and now things make more sense! as of 2 days ago I started having some back pain and everyday since its only gotten worse! I thought maybe my sciatica was back because of my herniated disk. after reading this, I’ve realized that it could very well be withdrawals. not to mention my legs are going bat shit crazy and are making me really miss the day 3 leg cramps that I used to make a big deal out of cause they hurt so bad. that was nothing! another thing I have learned from your page is that insomnia is a withdraw symptom. I kinda guessed it was, for the fact I haven’t slept at all in 3 days or gotten a good night of sleep…..9 days! Since I used. my mom even accused me of being on meth because I’m NOT sleeping or eating.
how long does the insomnia usually last? And the leg cramps? And the back pain? those 3 things are what’s killing me right now. what would be the best “plan” for me. what would you recommend I take? I appreciate any feedback or advice you can give!
Hi Ashley,
Everyone is different, but typically the post acute withdrawal symptoms can last several weeks or even months, if left untreated. That’s why I wrote this plan, to help people see ways to shorten the healing time. A strong calcium/magnesium/zinc/potasium supplement with dinner and hot epsom salt baths would be what I would use for leg cramps, pain, and insomnia. And the other supplements I wrote about in this article as well.
Hello, If I purchase Calm support is it recommended to use these other supplements or herbs at the same time? , L-Tyrosine, L-Dopa, Mucuna Pruriens. 5htp, Valarian Root, Passionflower,
Hi Matt, I read a lot of your information on supplements for opioid withdrawal. It worked great when I no longer needed to be on oxycodone. I just read and agreed on things to help with paws. What about paws for paws. What I mean is pet therapy. I suffer from ocd, but I know they can help you with physical and mental pain. I was wondering what you thought about it.
Hello. I was wondering what kind of GI Issues one can expect during PAWS? I am currently 32 days off opiates and am feeling better, but still have the expected fatigue, insomnia, and depression. But I also have some weird GI issues. Bowel movements are very inconsistent. I’ll be constipated one day, diarrhea the next, a muddy in between the next and sometimes they even float. I also almost always feel bloated, even after not eating most of the day. Are these somewhat normal signs more than a month off opiates? I worry that maybe I did some damage to my liver or pancreas, or maybe have some sort of infection.
Matt your work is amazing and I truly appreciate it. I am currently in the PAWS stage as I tapered off suboxone. The immodium, vitamin c and kratom help me breeze through the acute phase. My only problem in the acute phase is that I sleep too much. Getting up for work every morning is a struggle. Once I drink kratom and get going I am fine throughout the day and feel normal. On weekends I sleep till 12-1 easily and could still go back to sleep for more. I’m wondering if you know what the cause of this is. I would love to be able to wake up for work without the huge struggle and set my alarm on weekends for 9 and go on about my day.
DK,
The lack of dopamine can keep us from getting started in the mornings and may be contributing to the need for extra sleep. Amino acids that promote dopamine may help you.
~Mary
OAS RECOVERY SPECIALIST
Thank you Mary for the advice!! I will try this out and report back.
I have been taking subutex and recently switched to suboxone in the last month or 2. I have tried to come down to the lowest possible mg, and I am down to about 1mg in the am and then 1mg at night. I have decided it’s time to stop and I was going to use the gabapentin. I have taken my last 1mg sub dose at 3pm yesterday, and took 300mg of the gabapentin last night before bed. I took another 300mg when I woke up. So far I just feel a little sluggish, yawning, watery eyes, and sluggish- but not really much withdraw. I know that subs have a 72hr half life, so it really shouldn’t hit me until then, but how long should I take the gabapentin? Should I take it for a week and then stop? Or take it a week and then wean off? I’ve read tons of articles and no one says how long I should take it and how to stop taking the gabapentin. Thank you for your help, and for all you do.
Kay,
2mg is still a pretty high dose to come off of. The higher the dose of suboxone that a person stops taking seems to also affect the length of time that a person has acute withdrawal from it. If you find yourself struggling, you may want to taper lower. Personally, I found tapering as close to zero was the best way.
Gabapentin can become a dependency. But if it helps you to get off of suboxone and you are not abusing it, it can be a good tool to use for this. Because each person is different, there is no set time length of acute withdrawal phase from suboxone. Some may take 5 days for withdrawal to even begin, some feel withdrawal within 24 hours. Some may have physical symptoms for 3 days, some may have these symptoms for a month. If you find that you are having symptoms that are lasting too long, it probably is because your dose is too high to try to jump from. If not, then take gabapentin only long enough to get you past the physical symptoms that you can not handle without it. Remember, even if you do become dependent on it, you can taper off of it too.
~Mary
OAS RECOVERY SPECIALIST
Ok thank you so much for your reply and help!!
I’m fixing to hit my 24hr mark of stopping Norco’s after 3 years on them. It started because of severe back pain that I still deal with daily. I went cold turkey because tapering was not an option for me. I quit once a year ago for 9 days, only to pick it back up because of PAWS. The mental is the worst part. It’s double tough for me because I’ve suffered with depression and anxiety all my life. But I know with God all things are possible. Thanks for all the amazing info Just taking it one day at a time.
Jen,
I recommend this book: http://www.moodcure.com
THE MOOD CURE by Julia Ross
This book not only helped me learn how to use natural supplements and nutrition to balance my moods, it helped tremendously with fighting the symptoms of opiate withdrawal. It helped my motivation towards tapering too.
~Mary
OAS RECOVERY SPECIALIST
Dude I don’t know you but after scanning your essay on paws and glancing through your site and blog if you will I am awestruck by your range of knowledge, Endless energy and compassion. Surely you walk in the ways of the lord. Oh yes you are clearly an amazing human being. I’m not a purist I happen to agree with your well researched wholistic and tailored individual approach. You are a truly enlightened Renaissance guy doing a excellent job in a mostly ignorant world. I could go on extolling you virtues but I’m sure you’re getting bored. Just want you to know somehow someway you changed my life tonight. I will probably sign up for a few sessions but the quality accuracy and diversity of the information you dispense….As far as I’m concerned you are divinely gifted and inspired and probably only a half or quarter step down from being an angel?You’re the man!
A question. I’ve been on buprenex for 20 years .75 mg a day. I started getting withdrawals out of the blue and just quit it was hell made it three weeks then went back but at half the dose about .3-.4 mg a day. It feels like I’m in paws even though I’m taking it still depression sleep disturbances depression and my head has this pressure that the worse it is worse symptoms are. Anybsuggestions
Bill,
Withdrawal may “feel” like what was happening before you stopped the .75mgs, but since that had been your dose, this doesn’t sound right. Have a complete checkup, you may have some other issues going on.
~MARY
OAS RECOVERY SPECIALIST
Thanks Matt for all the helpful hints today is day 25 from me off Suboxone and benzos I graduated detox at end of the program called Rehab these two programs at 8:30 each now I’m on day 25 and suffering from those Paws symptoms that we all get when we get off opiates I seem to get them worse than most at least I think that we all feel that way I just want to quickly say thank how quickly save this the number one advice that I would give someone that’s suffering from paws is to keep your mind busy to not focus as well on it when it’s the hardest thing the hardest when you don’t feel good work through it by pushing on throw yourself in the fire that’s the only way to be paws I’ve done it before and been successful good luck and God bless you all I remember you deserve it sincerely Mike
Matt,
I think everything you are doing and publishing is an extremely generous effort to help out people in such a great need as we are. I have been caught into the Norco addiction completely unaware of it’s possible devastating effects due to severe back pain and not realizing for a long while that the pills were “treating” other problems I had, like recurrent depression and anxiety that were devastating on a very “energetic” and “everything is possible to do” and I can and want to help everyone, type of person. Now I have changed completely and, while I was able to use your advice to drop the Norco, using Gabapentin, Vitamin C and Xanax, I do not seem to make real progress with PAWS. I have some good days and then depression and anxiety hits so hard that I am in tears almost all the time, I am irritated to no end and cannot perform what I need to do to function in my life. I’ve changed profession, I am learning – apparently ready to get certified as a Professional Coach, I am trying to do as much as I can from your suggestions but I do not see the effect of Calm Support and DLPA, I cannot sleep without Xanax, I barely try to do some exercise and socializing and fall back into desperation, I try to contribute and help others and helps for the moment and then my mind goes back to “confusion” and I do not feel capable to follow-through with Coach school (even if I like the topic immensely), or follow-up with people I started to help because I do not have any ideas on what to do next and any more requirements that I put on myself and my life weight more than several tons…and want to be isolated again and not disappoint anyone. Meditating or writing in a journal is more like hell not heaven to me. I lost all my faith in God and cannot just “believe”, as I used to or as other would say. I am better off doing something but then I get tired and irritated and overwhelmed and hopeless again and if I had Norco I would take it because I need a break for my poor soul. I have lost all hope that I can recover. I do not believe Norco or any drug is a solution but nor do I think I will ever be a normal person with a normal life again and when I see the list of things you are mentioning I should do to recover I get even more discouraged. When can I do what i have to do to “survive” and when do I “force in” all the things you are mentioning? How can that be possibly done when you have such a horrible state of mind. I do not trust doctors or therapists. I’ve tried them and it did not work for the long term. Nothing seems to work for me in the long run…some things just give me hope of recovery for short periods of time only, just as much as to get my hope up and then I am back again, as depressed and anxious and hopeless as I have ever been. And in the meantime I am trying to keep-up/cope with daily living to the extent that I can in that day…the less I do the more depressed and desperate I am and the when I look at the list of things I have to do, to maybe get put of PAWS I only want to cry and forget I even exist. I can barely survive some days, how can I do all those things that a normal person would find hard to fit in their lives? I took your webcourse and did my best to even describe my situation hoping to get at least a comment from you, but I did not. I also try to read the comments from people and they are depressing. Few make progress and those are the ones to get encouragement…not the really desperate like me. I am glad to see that things help people but nothing seems to work for me. I read lots of books : self-help, addiction causes and effects, depression, psychology, philosophy, religion,…I enjoy reading but when trying to apply something it’s a different story…sometimes it is not even clear where it would be good for me to begin. In final analysis, there are so many “options” that one is totally lost and I have tried and failed so many times that I do not believe I I can even try one more time, get my hopes up and fail again. Not even know what to try….At least please tell me as much: I am taking Calm Support, DLPA, Kyani products, (I also tried passion flower& Kava to no avail and got a bit of help from Kratom but it is disgusting and the risk to get into another addiction is huge, for too little relief)….I took those supplements for weeks now…I thought I am doing better for the n-th time but I am back again…so there is not real effect…my cycle of being a bit better and back into the worst depression continues…so should I continue taking those supplements? They also cost a lot of money and the only things that “numb” me so I do not cry continuously are Gabapentin and Xanax…The people that get relief from using DLPA and Calm Support are so lucky. They do not know how lucky they are. I wish something could help me. I feel very bad about having to write all this depressing stuff, but maye you can suggest something ! Thanks
Tatiana.
As I was reading your comment, I connected to these feelings so much! Luckily, when I was describing pretty much the same things to a new friend I met through an online support group, he asked me if I practiced “Mindfulness”. I had to admit that I didn’t know what that was. But I listened, I learmed, and….Thank God! I think that you sound like someone who would benefit from this too.This isn’t just meditation therapy, it is so much more! There is a video on the link that I am giving you that explains it well. Here is a link addictionsearch.com/treatment_articles/article/the-healing-power-of-mindfulness-meditation-when-recovering-from-addiction_141.html
I recommend finding support wherever you can>famiky, friends, coworkers,group meetings or online.
~Mary
OAS RECOVERY SPECIALIST
if you ever need someone to talk to you’re more than welcome to message me. we don’t know each other so it might make it easier for you to open up about things..? I don’t know. either way I wish you the best!
Good morning all, I am scared to start this journey, again… I have tried to talk with my doctor about this but I feel judged and alone. My question before I order the Calm Support supplement is pretty simple yet no one wants to give me a clear answer probably because they fear something might happen. I am currently on Zoloft for anxiety and Topamax for severe migraines. After a very bad car accident I developed a very bad dependence to Vicodin/Norco which I feel is just now an addiction. I do still have incredible pain, but I just want to stop taking the pain meds. I have tried to talk to my pain doctor and my regular doctors for advice and have received nothing helpful, at all. My simple question is…can I safely take the Calm Support while continuing to take my Zoloft (100mg) and Topamax (150mg)? I also have ordered some valerian/passiflora/magnesium herbal natural pain reliever from another online company and again, I am unsure how and if these herbs can all be taken together. I use a lot of essential oils and have never had any issues. I also take a multivitamin, elderberry, Vitamin D and magnesium citrate daily as well and also have never had any issues. I am just nervous to cause more damage to my body than I already have. I need to remain on the Zoloft and Topamax but need to start the withdrawal (again) from the narcotics. My last two times were failures due to PAWS and extreme edema/leg pain that just would not go away after weeks. Thank you so much in advance for helping so many of us out and not casting us aside as so many doctors nowadays are doing, (who by the way have no problem quickly prescribing the meds for the pain). God bless. Susan.
Susan,
Hello. My name is Mary and I am a Recovery Specialist with OAS. First I’ll address the question about whether you should order Calm Support with the medications that you take. My advise is No. The reason being that Zoloft, which is in a category of drugs called SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors)when combined with any supplements that boost serotonin levels can cause SEROTONIN SYNDROME; which can range from mild to severe. The amino acid: L-tryptophan, one of the ingredients in Calm Support, can raise serotonin levels. This is why I won’t recommend Calm Support to anyone on an SSRI. I personally know a woman who did take both, even though she was aware of the risks. She had no problems (I figured you’d ask!).
Of course Drs have no advise for REAL ways to heal yourself! After all, if there are natural ways to balance our own brain chemistry, many prescription medications would be of no use to most people! Big Pharma and Dr’s who practice ONLY conventional medicine make a living by either making diagnosis or providing their medications!
Sounds to me like you have a good supply of supplements and should be fine taking them with your medications. One prescription medication that you would benefit by getting is CLONIDINE. This is often prescribed for opiate withdrawal. I also suggest reading this: opiateaddictionsupport.com/how-to-use-Loperamide-for-opiate-withdrawal/
Susan, your comment didn’t say that you were tapering your norco/vicodin, just that you simply want to stop. If it’s possible, tapering any narcotic is always best! Plus it is the best way to ensure minimal withdrawal. Tapering also gives you time to add new supplements one at a time.
Lastly, the leg pain and rls experienced during previous withdrawal can be lessoned greatly! The best way does take time and I recommend when someone decides to taper. Adding a supplement to boost dopamine production (along with the magnesium already taking) does help reduce or even stop this pain. Dlpa, l-tyrosine,l-dopa, and mucuna pruriens are dopamine boosters, but work better if you’ve been taking them (at the least) a couple of weeks.
Let me know if this addresses all of your concerns.
~ Mary
Disclaimer: suggestions given here should not be considered medical advice. Please discuss use of all supplements/medications with your Dr..
Hi Mary,
Would you consider gapapentin an SSRI? I want to begin a regimen including the Vitamin C at megadoses, DLPA and Calm support now that I’m near the end of my taper, which I did using about 3600-4800 mg gabapentin daily.
I don’t want to sabotage all my hard work…
Hi, I’ve tried to quit my norco dependency many times in the last 8 months. I get through the Acute phase but PAWS tiredness ALWAYS makes me return. For about the last two year plus I’ve taken 10-30 mgs of Norco everyday since my mom passed away. I’ve lost three jobs and am just miserable, unless I have enough pills to take but then they start to run out and I get more depressed because I know what’s coming – WDs! I’m so lazy now and fat and out of shape then when I get to PAWS it gets even worse – I don’t want to leave the house. I am struggling. I’m tapering as much as I can (my BF holds the pills) but he doesn’t understand how tapering works. He just tells me to take less and then is frustrated when I won’t get off the couch. I’m trying to get another job….again but I am so scared that I will fail at that too. I have no life now. I don’t enjoy anything unless I have the pills in me.
Aloha,
I was wondering your age rang because a lot about recovery and how you deal with the addiction depends on your age.Our bodies recover all so differently(period).
I have been on this train too many years,and to make a long story short This opiate life has been a complete B×%-#!
You are not alone.I am in my late 30’s my husband almost 50,been everywhere from plugging,shooting,sniffing .Its a complete Nightmare,I have advice to give .I am well knowledgeable about all age ranges,and reasonings..
First,get through the PAWS!
Be strong,We are Human and made to indure LIFE.
Don’t put yourself in risky situations,be confident Most important figure out who your higher power is.(non of this I have a higher power BS)
To get through the PAWS,take mass vitamins and be strong.put on your big boy pants and demand recovery!(No wussys allowed) Tripple up dosing on vitamin C,take a Small teaspoon of cream of tartar in water every 6 hrs,drink cyenepepper tea every 6 hours 1 teaspoon of pepper in a shot glass with hot water,and an ice water backer.(amazing what this does to the body)
Take beepollen as directed.(local granual refrigerator kind)
Take life one day at a time,don’t expect too much from yourself,be strong,Find God,find recovery.
Get into a support group,learn to talk and walk proud at all times.For you might not know it,but you belong to a God of most high power!
Bless you and your family.
I am up to all quiestions,and any help or wisdom I can offer.
Hi Missy and thank you for replying. I am (no idea how I got here) 47. I am still tapering I’ve been taking 5 mg in the morning and 5 mg in the evening. Last night I went down to 5 mg in the morning and 2.5 at night AND I, finally, started walking for 30 minutes outside. I really appreciate your words of encouragement. And, you’re right, you have to put on your big girl pants and do it. I’ve been wallowing in depression for a long time, especially these last two months unemployed. The walking really makes a difference. I think my mind was so mad about not having pills that I convinced myself to do nothing. I hope I’m over that now. Since I’ve been tapering for about a month, I know that sounds like a long time but cold turkey wasn’t working for me, I actually am not craving like I was. It feels like it’s not completely ruling my life anymore. Long process but I feel like I am finally making some progress. Slow and steady wins the race and I’m going to win this time.
Hi,thanks for the reply.You are the same age as my husband.Cold turkey didn’t do the body good.It can be done,though I Think it does more harm to the body, mind and soul than anything.What works for you is best…Keep it up.
Depression is a very symptom of recovery.But that’s why it’s called recovery.Sounds like you are doing well,something great for depression is estrogen cream.Pick some up,it works wonders,also while you at way the Healy food store pick up some cesium.Mix 1/2 teaspoon with a shot glass of hot water,slam it and chug ice water.Do this a couple times a day,for the rest of your life ,wouldnt hurt.In other countries they feed this to heart patents IV.
Profound effects this has on the blood stream resulting in all over great healt.It completely detoxifys the bloodstream, and allows the capillaries to open to circulate the blood properly.It take a couple days to get into(burns the bunghole as it detoxs the body)but it’s amazing.
Let me know I would love to hear from you.
One more thing, my depression has lifted for the most part. I was so depressed after my mom died but it’s been 2.5 years and I am finally accepting she’s gone. I have a new job, been there 7 months and they have offered me a permanent position. The background has been a hassle. I have had to send for my CA Proficiency Exam Certificate but it will take weeks. Hopefully, once I get all the stuff they need my job will still be there. It doesn’t pay much but I’ll never make what I did before. I just have to accept that. Since all this background check hassle my depression has come back but I can handle it and I know it’s just temporary. I’ve also been out sick with this stomach or ulcer problem. It seems to be getting better, as long as I take the Carafate 4 times a day. The Carafate coats the stomach so no other medicine gets in your body and I think that’s a good think because it’s been making it easier to cut down on Norco. Even if I take it, I can’t feel it.
Slight update, I’ve at least lowered my dose to 10-15 mg per day (I do sometimes mess up but then I get back on). The problem I have now is just staying at 5-10 mg a day, no messing up, then jumping off. I do actually have medical issues and terrible stomach issues I also being treated for. I have to stay at 5-10 mg, start exercising, eating better (when I can eat) and push through PAWS. Please send me strength and love as I send all of you.
Hi Matt,
I’m a 25 year old from Lagos Nigeria. I think you can measure the intensity of my insomnia by the fact that I went through every single comment on this thread. I never thought one could get addicted to Rohephynol, until I started to lose my mind, memory, happiness and appetite soon as I got off the drug. I needed it to be happy, without it I am miserable…utterly emotional devastated. That was until I discovered tramadol. I started with 50mg capsules about 2years ago and I dropped Rohephynol the next week. Slowly I stopped and didn’t suffer any withdrawals until last year when I discovered the 200 and 250mg tablets. Extreme Euphoria was the other of the day and it boosted my seX life. I’m sad to say not though that I am a suffering addict. I relapse after 2 weeks (even after overcoming the worst type of withdrawals. Thing is I get so utterly depressed that I can’t function and that’s a huge problem because I am an urban artiste. Today is another Day 1 Being off the drug anf i ppan to stop it for ever this time. It is quite cheap and as we speak I have about a dozen in my cabinet, I can’t get a hold of the supplements you listed because we lack those sort of drugs in Nigeria. Can you please refer some to me that you know may be readily available in 3rd World Countries?
Thanks and God bless
is there anothing similar to the calm support that would be cheaper?
While the person took great time writing a detailed description of post acute wds many of the things mentioned were on point. However what i must say with great disappointment is why you would try to demotivate someone from trying hard to get through this when you state oaws could NEVER go away?? Why woukd anyone want to even try to recover when all they can think about is how no matter what they do it could lead to failure?, shame on you
It is what it is. I personally applaud Matt for being candid and not sugar-coating the inherent lingering effects of PAWS. Keep in mind that everyone is different and depending on usage factors such as general health/age, strength/type of opiate, how it was used/abused, for how long, and at what dose, all play into the PAWS equation. Consequently, some will escape the worst of PAWS and some won’t. Furthermore, I don’t see any ‘demotivating’ remarks here. Instead Matt points out 17 things you can do to help get through the worst of PAWS, and personally having experienced PAWS, and in many ways still experiencing it, I think they are spot on target.
We live in a ‘quick fix’ world, and there are simply no quick fixes for this. Remember, you didn’t get to this point overnight, so you can’t expect to escape overnight. Opiates went into our brains and rearranged the furniture. It will take some time(clean), for your brain to again reach homeostasis. There will be some hiccups along the way, however, everyone WILL improve with time…clean time ! Its a marathon, not a race. If you remember nothing else from this site, remember this, ‘SOBRIETY IS A PROCESS, NOT AN EVENT’. Take that to heart, follow the terrific advice provided here and have patience. With time, patience and due diligence, everyone improves!
Well sh#t,I agree?
Hey Matt,
I have been off of a 8 year opiate addiction (last 2 years on 140mg methadone) for 13 days now. I had two incredible Dr. (One for medication tapering and one for counseling) get me to this point. The only problems I have are difficulty sleeping/staying asleep, and fatigue during the day. Ive now been running twice and it definitely makes me feel better temporarily and I feel as I get into shape it will only help more and more. I’ve completely changed my dietary habits.
I have a two year old and I just don’t the energy to really interact with her like I want.
What supplements would you suggest to help with those symptoms in particular?
Vitamin b shot!
Hi Matt, Thank you for the advice you give.
After almost 20 years as an ‘H’ addict, I finally managed to kick the habit over six years ago. Since then it has been a long road, firstly reducing on methadone and over the last few years suboxone.
Five Months ago I took my last dose. I knew it was not going to be easy, I’ve always worked and have continued to do so, but did not realise how long the effects were going to continue for.
I find it hard to focus and am constantly distracted by the aching/pains spreading from my feet through the rest of my body. This has been a constant 24 x 7 companion. Fortunately like most addicts, I’m an expert at concealing how I’m feeling and I was expecting this to subside as time went on. As you discuss this is also accompanied by a lethargic feeling, sneezing fits and lack of sleep.
Natural remedies was not something I had considered until the last few weeks and I begun looking on the internet, where I discovered your site. This has given me some hope and I have ordered a pack of DL-Phenylalnine and multi vitamins and minerals.
Thank you and will let you know how it goes.
Tim I congratulate you on your amazing journey coming off heroin and then medication! What an incredible accomplishment. I wish you the best, and may your energy come back swiftly!
Thank you Matt, your comments really inspired me.
I am now 12 Months in clean, but I’m sorry to report it is still a constant struggle.
Tried the D-L and Calm Support for 2 Months with no real relief, left it a while and have now moved on to Reishi and Passion Flower, with again no noticeable benefit. Although I’m beginning to despair, this affects every aspect of my life, I have not been tempted to return to opiates at any time. I’m sure there must be something out there to help, even if it’s a little, the thought of spending the rest of my life like this scares me. I try and focus on my work and hope that eventually I will see some light at the end of the tunnel.
How are you doing now?
I am also a recovering addict currently on suboxone and have been for 2 1/2 years, if you need some more natural remedies I have a huge list of things I hope to buy before I go through my withdrawal.. I am one of the unfortunate addicts who suffers from PAWS for months after getting clean.. and I am terrified to go through what I did before, months straight of having panic attacks every second throughout the day. There are lots more than listed here that’ll help even more!! Lmk
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This is exactly what I needed to hear..all about natural..it emotive easy but it’s a must ..thank you GOD BLESS
Dear Matt, Thank you so much for this incredible article you produced. I am exactly 28 days into recovery from 15 years of taking Norco for chronic back pain.
I’ve had three back surgeries in the last two years. One month ago, six weeks postop, I decided I needed to change my
life. I was tired of being dependent on opiates and since it had appeared that the surgery was finally a success, I decided to go cold turkey. I did not tell anyone, including my doctors about my decision. I have been an RN for 40 years and have continued to work the entire time I was having so much pain prior to the last surgery. I decided to get clean before I go
back to work this time. The withdrawal symptoms have been extremely difficult, especially since I have chosen not to share my experiences with anyone for fear of judgment and possibly work related
repercussions. I fully intend to follow all the suggestions in your article and hopefully some of these lingering symptoms will start to subside. I think the worst is the fatigue, the insomnia, the nausea and anorexia, and the bouts of self-doubt and depression. Then I realize that 15 years of prescription opiate use is not going to disappear in four weeks.
But I feel extremely strong and I know I can do this. I’ve already seen signs that being drug-free is beneficial to my memory, my judgment, and my overall well-being. Thank you so much, once again, for such wonderful suggestions. You have given me more hope than I have had in weeks.
I’m so glad this info has inspired you Rose! You can do this and you have the right mindset. I wish you the best of luck on your journey. Take care 🙂
Rose, I am in the same profession and same situation. I understand your struggles as I am going through them myself. Maybe we could talk.
How are you doing now?
Wow!!! This is really helpful. My husband is 2 years sober this February. He is really struggling with post acute withdrawl. Sometimes it’s unbearable for both of is to deal with. And it seems to be getting worse everyday. I’m really trying to be supportive. But i don’t feel like there is an end to this madness!!! This article is very encouraging though. Hopefully he will agree to try these supplements. He’s pretty much losing all hope that he will ever feel normal again 🙁
I’m glad this was helpful Steph. There is an end to the madness and your husband is lucky to have your support!
I need help. My 23 year old son was on a low dose of Tramadol following hip surgeries and stopped taking it about 4 weeks ago (we tapered down very slowly over a period of 2 weeks from a max of 2 1/2 pills a day to 1/4 pill a day.) He tried the large dose of vit c when he stopped altogether which helped a little but now almost 4 weeks after stopping Tramadol he’s feeling horrible, burning muscles, fatigue, all over pain, stomach issues, headaches, weakness. It’s the worst at night, and he has up and down spells all day where he feels not too great spiraling down to awful. Is this PAWS? Will this protocol help? Do I need to get him medical attention? He’s miserable and he has other health issues which may be a contributing factor (Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, mitochondrial issues and methylation error), his functional medicine dr seems to think its PAWS and he has blood work next week but I could really use some advice right now.
Hey Matt, Found your site from surfing for relief from opiate taper and really enjoyed your approach described in the above article. You are applying some profound ideas here and I sense you have studied Buddhism….along with your Chi gong, et. al
Thanks…
FYI. .I am 6 months post op from 2 level fusion L4,L5,S1… had surgery in Colorado by the best docs in country, only to return to South Florida, which is the worst place to be. Since I had never taken opioid before surgery, they worked great. I’m now tapering and almost free and clear, but I see so many addicts… and my heart hurts knowing most of these people will suffer needlessly because of the number of nefarious doctors that hustle drugs and lack simple compassion.
We need more compassionates and less predators! Keep on!
Would you recommend eridimol for paws?
Hi
I am looking for a tapper schedule I am on 4 30 toxins day, crushing them etc. what would be a good rapper schedule that will
Minimize withdrawal effects.
Please refer to the following article on tapering:
Tapering and Discontinuing Opioids
Hi .. really hoping someone can help! I’m 56 and cold turkeyed oxycontin, buprenorphine, valium, antidepressants, sleeping tablets and codeine nearly 8 months ago. (i’d been on most of these for 15 years). Withdrawal was easy apart from not sleeping for a month and jerky legs at night .. no other side effects really – apart from 8 months of night sweats, excess mucous in mouth, a heavy post nasal drip and runny nose. These things are driving me nuts! My diet is organic and mostly raw, I go to the gym 4 times a week and sit in the sauna after, i ride my bike every day, walk on the beach, I drink heaps of water, my diet is alkaline and I drink cider vinegar each day in 1lt of water. I use Medical Cannabis oil as suppositories for pain, I meditate, I don’t take any pharmaceuticals at all, my mental health is now fine, all is excellent except for these PAWS symptoms. I’ve been to the herbalist and had mixes made up but so far, no luck. I understand PAWS can last for months or years, but these night sweats are revolting. Does anyone have knowledge of herbs that have worked for them for this excessive sweating and mucous please???
Many people use black cohosh for excess sweating, however, I’ve not heard of herbs used for those other symptoms.
would you have any idea what the underlying cause of the night sweats is? i can’t see that i’m still eliminating toxins .. is it that something is not in balance in my body do you think Matt?
Do you think menapause could be part?As you know as we age,our bodies need diffrent things to fully function.How about estrogen cream?Try it,its all natural and works well for depression as well.Just put the cream around your ,nipples and bellybutton.?
how are you today…im very similar to you..10 months clean now but anxiety and post nasal thing is hanging on for dear life…lol
Hello! I’m detoxing from 80 mg of methadone- against clinic wishes of course. I’ve come down to 2 mg, I have one mg for tomorrow and the next day, then I don’t ever want to step in that clinic again!! Worst mistake I’ve ever made. Thank you for your article, I’ve found it the most informative of anything I’ve read so far. I’m currently taking 2 mg of klonipin a day to help- while it takes the “edge” off. I have no energy! I’m trying but I just want to lay here and I hate that too! I’m taking small walks, trying to be happy, I’m on 100 mg of Zoloft- I can’t find any happiness in anything. That’s the worst part:( I’m going to try your supplements. Anymore advice? For now, I’m going to walk barefoot in he grass:) Thank you again!
Glad this info helped, and congrats on your amazing progress! You might also benefit from reading the following article:
How To Get Your Energy Back After Quitting Opiates
And have an awesome barefoot walk! I love those 🙂
HELP ..I scared to death have tried this many times !!!
Coming off opioids is scary, unless you have a really good plan. Please read through the articles on this website, as you might find what you are looking for.
Hi Matt. Can’t thank you enough for giving your time and expertise. I was put on Percocet for pain almost a yr ago, 10/325 4-5x daily. Pain left for short time but no more yet keep taking the drugs “to get by”. Even that’s only effective for 1/2 hr and then I’m feeling down and irritable. Anyway, I’ve had enough and want off. May have come down too fast. Was at 40mg/daily for a while and jumped to 20mg for 3 days. Was going to 10mg for 3 more but forget it. Started getting RL in arms last night, I want off this train to hell. My question: read diff things you suggested like Elimadrol and other supplements but they usually take time and I’m on day one clean. I have Xanax from the past I never took and tried one last night. It helped but also says you should not mix with anything herbal. Should I just stick with the Xanax for the next week then switch to Calm Support after to rebuild the brain neurotransmitters like I think you spoke about? Not sure how bad I should expect my withdrawals to be. Thanks so much.
Even though experts say to not combine Xanax or other benzos with sedating herbs like passion flower, valerian root etc., that is for a normal person. I believe that some individuals going through opiate withdrawal could actually use the synergy provided by the mixture. Thus, if I was going through withdrawal again and I had the option to take Xanax or another benzo with Calm Support I would take it in an instant.
Please refer to the following article:
The Finch Formula is a Super Potent Opiate Withdrawal Remedy
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. This comment is for informational use only. It’s not intended to treat, diagnose, or prevent any disease. Always check with your doctor before changing your diet, trying any new supplements, medications, exercise or opiate tapering programs.
Mr. Finch, you have an amazing thing going here. I woke up at 2:00am in full panic mode about the stupid suboxone. Reading about your experience and the people who have posted their stories made me feel hope again. I’m once again on day one of taper, after a decade of drug use. Luckily I have started a health kick so I’m hoping it will keep me centered through all of this! One issue I’m dealing with, I work , Im in a program getting my bachelors degree in science in nursing and I’m also a mom to a six-year-old. I just wish I could go away for 30 days but my life is not permitting that right now.
Hi Krissy,
I’m glad these articles and comments are giving you some hope! Glad you have started a health kick, and I also have a link to another article that may help you out:
How To Taper Off Subxoone Like a Champion
I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment about your situation, and if there is every anything I can do to help, please let me know. I wish you the absolute best!
I am currently 19 days off suboxone. Can we say DRAINED! I was taking about 25 mg of oxy a day for 3 years never upping or lowering it. I have a torn acl and a ruptured disk due to an injury in the marine corps. After fighting with the va I decided enough was enough and sought help to get off the pills. They started me at 8mg of suboxone went into precipitated withdrawl because they gave it to me too soon. I was in hell for about 3 days but still took the sub. In 4 months I went from 8 to 4 and hit a wall couldn’t seem to go lower So I made the choice to jump. Although the “worst” is over and I’m quoting my dr I still feel like CRAP! I have done and tried everything. I am not going to use anymore I know that but I need some kind of light to shine quickly before I loose my cool.
Yes the Suboxone withdrawal can lead to a total lack of energy, happiness, and health. Glad you found this website, and I hope you find some useful information. Hang in there!
Suboxone didn’t do it for me. I felt as if the withdrawals were worse. And I started at 2mg down to 1mg to 1/16th to 1/32 to1/64th tapering down every 2 or 3 days and still felt worse withdrawals than heroin. I started to loose hope, went back to h for a week or 2 to get most of the suboxone out of my system and tried something else.
Kratom worked wonders for me. I took around 5gs of red vein for the first few days three times a day. Then went down around 3gs for a few more days then went down to taking two doses a day instead of three. And started tapering down every other dose. Little by little though. Then I started down to dosing only once a day in the morning before work as well. Got down to about a little less than a gram in the morning and decided to jump from there. Just had to smoke a lot of weed for the few days after I jumped. I had coldsweats and heat flashes but only a few times throughout the day and wouldn’t last long. Definatly rediculously more withstandable than withdrawals alone. Though cannabis really helped ease the withdrawals mentally and pyhsically throughout the whole thing. I wouldn’t have been able to do it without cannabis and
kratom. Kratom just felt more natural and cleaner than suboxone. It felt good to not have man made drugs in me. I could actually feel better the day I switched to kratom.
Currently 43 days away from opiates. And Matt this is definatly helping me through these rough times.
Tyler I sooooo resonate with what you said. When I was on Suboxone, it just felt gross in my body. Yes it helped a lot, however, I got a lot of side-effects from it, and it really messed my body and mind up. The use of natural drugs such as kratom and cannabis have helped many people get off Suboxone and other opioids. I totally applaud you for your 43 days clean time off opiates. And I’m really glad you wrote about your experience. I wish you the best Tyler. Take care.
Hi Matt, I have a different experience with kratom.A few years ago, i decided to take kratom to help with withdrawal from relapse on heroin. In the beginning helped more or less but when i had tapered kratom down to a low amount i started feeling the opposite effect from kratom: felt way too speedy in my mind. Was a really bad experience. My ex, who was also addicted at that time, started also taking kratom and had the same side effect when taking less kratom. So i am surprised that it works for some people. I am now on suboxone since a month after having been advised to take it to get off of methadone. I started at 8 mg of suboxone. Yesterday i went down from 4mg to 3mg. Planning on trying with 2 mg tomorrow. I know that the longer i take it the tougher it will be, but will adapt and slow down if i find it too difficult. Thanks alot for all the info. Am a vegeterian and a nature lover. Into natural remedies since many years. Started yoga last year and planning on doing sauna once i am off it. Going to try walking barefoot once it gets warmer. All the info you give brings alot of support and hope. Thanks again for sharing it for FREE! 🙂
Thanks for sharing your experience Flo. And that’s super cool that you’re into health! Once you start barefoot walking you’ll never want to wear shoes again haha. Just watch out for dangerous objects on the ground. 🙂 Take care Flo.
I hope you feel better soon.
Hi my name is crystal and I am struggling like so many comments I read! I have zero joy, no happiness at all & this is the hardest part, it’s living in a body that everyone sees as the same girl I always was… But there’s no inner person, I’m all just a body now, like an outter shell / long story I’ve had over 10 major surgeries which have caused my “legal” addiction to oxy… For the past 10 years I’ve been on it more than off but worse is the past 3 years since after 6 spinal surgeries, the new script was for 30’s (6 per day) I had only taken Percocet 7.5 prior… Anyway, I decided to stop this way of life & just live with the pain, so for over a month now I have gone from 1/2 a pill every 2 hours of every day to 1/2 a pill every 12-15 hours! Down to none & I keep my filled script at all times to keep myself strong, while tempting it’s better because if I don’t find a way to avoid temptation I feel I might fall back, it’s easier to not take when you don’t have so I’m facing this head on, feeling joyless, hopeless and want to just die really, everyone wants me to be who I was but I’m simply gone, there’s zero energy in me, I can’t think or even stay awake, I want to get thru this and my will is strong, I won’t take them again, that part I’ve got but feeling like this is no way to live! I’ve started doing many of the things listed 6 months ago when I started the journey to get my life back but I’m going to add every one of the suggestions I’m not yet doing, That are offered here!
I can’t imagine facing another minute like this & the lack of happiness is a curse over me, I’ve enrolled in a nutrition school IIN to learn how to heal myself with nutrition & it’s a health coaching program, I want to thrive but I sleep 21 hours a day right now, I hope this helps me and everyone else who’s going thru this! I’m going to order today & I’d like to have the coaching help too so I’ll look to see if you’re taking on new clients!
Thank you & best of luck to us all!
Hi Crystal,
I am so impressed by you!!! You are going to get through this. You are strong and have unlimited courage within you. There is greatness within you, and you’re going to tap into that energy in a way that you’ve never done before. You will prevail. You will overcome your addiction. You will feel better than ever before in life. And then…you will help others when you become a Health Coach. It has all already happened. You just need to focus on your goal every single day, all day, and soon the past will be in your rear view mirror. You’ll be living the good life.
However, to get to that good life, you’ll need to go through some more pain. This is actually your greatest gift. The person you’ll become as a result of overcoming your struggles will be simply extraordinary. You’ll be able to handle anything that life throws your way.
Hi Matt, I have been on oxy 10mg which I took about 6 – 10 a day crushed and snorted and also morphine extended release. I stopped cold turkey and took tramadols for about a week and now I just got gabapenton and I have 300 mgs pills I started by taking two but I don’t feel anything…it’s not helping should I take more to start out? Please write back, I don’t want to be addicted to opiates anymore..I’m tired and at my ropes end
Hi Erin,
Please read the following article:
How To Use Gabapentin For Opiate Withdrawal
Also, I knew someone that used 900 mg of gabapentin at a time for their withdrawal. However, everyone is biochemically unique. So while this medication may work well for many people, it might not work as well for others. It I were in your situation, I would probably just up to dose, however, I’m not a doctor.
Disclaimer: I am a Strategic Intervention Coach, not a doctor, so I can’t give professional advice regarding aspects of the body, only the mind. This comment is for informational use only. It’s not intended to treat, diagnose or prevent any disease. Always check with your doctor before changing your diet, trying any new supplements, medications, exercise or opiate tapering programs.
THANKS Matt Got it printed , Gonna try some of your suggestions, I’ll probably
call you when I quit this horrible addiction for counseling. I’m so not me, feel lost and scared.
Greg
You are powerful beyond words Greg. If you ever need any support, you can email me at my personal inbox:
finchy444@yahoo.com
Thanks Matt , Got it Printed, Able to Share with Wife. I’m so not me anymore, I hope
this helps her understand. You are doing a Great Service !!! Going to start some of
your suggestions , my Doc wanted to raise my rx mg , but I said no ! What I take now
only keeps me from going thru WDs , and thats fine with me. Gonna taper down after surgeries, then quit.
THANK YOU
Greg
Good for you! Best of luck to you. Happy to hear you’re going for it!!!
Great info and web site , I’m 62 and have been prescribed oxycodone for 2&1/2 yrs, ,addicted/ dependent ! hate them ! Fell off a roof 2&1/2 ago, took another fall a year ago , No ligaments or cartilage in knees (previous injuries and surgeries )and a couple of fractured vertebrae. Facing 2 or 3 more surgeries ! So much for my history. For the first time (tonite) shared with my wonderful wife my desire to quit
taking this S**T . I’m not me anymore !!! Love the Info and help on this website, Just found it today. Is there a printer friendly button ? I would like to share with my wife and another person ? I have tapered down, but, will quit after surgeries.
Thanks Greg
Need a print button (Old & Dumb) ?
I’m so glad you are getting value from the info on this website. Though I do not have a “print” button on my website, if you look on your keyboard and hold the “*Ctrl” button (control button), then press the “p” button while your other hand is still holding down the previous button, this should implement the “print screen” feature on your computer. Let me know if this doesn’t work and I can assist you further.
I just want to say thank you for all this info I really needed it I was on my third time trying to quit hydros and then a habit with suboxone. I made it to day nine and insomnia got the best of me along with my emotions and I have failed myself and my family yet again. It really sucks not having anyone to talk to that understands what I am going through my husband is trying really hard but he can’t help but get aggravated with me while I’m going through the wds.i wanna know if this calm support will help me get through this. The hardest part for me is the insomnia and the lack of energy. I have three very active boys so I can’t be down for to long this is another reason I always fail at quitting.
Hi Lindsey,
You’re doing amazing! Staying off opiates can be very hard due to the lack of energy, depression, insomnia, and other symptoms. I’m here to help you along the way if you need someone to talk to. I encourage you to read the following article, as it might answer the question you had:
Calm Support Review: Eases Opiate Withdrawal Symptoms
I know how hard it is to stay quit when you have kids and other responsibility’s. This is where intense planning comes in! You’re going to get through this Lindsey. You are more powerful than you know. Take care.
Will other kinds of tulsi tea work as well as the peppermint? I’m wondering because I have rose tulsi tea at home already and can’t find peppermint tulsi tea at stores near my home.
Any tulsi tea has the same adaptogen properties. The peppermint just makes it taste cool and refreshing, while also adding a digestive boost.
Hi Matt,
I can’t find the part where you are recommending/talking about teas in the PAWS protocol? Which teas do you recommend and how do they help??
Thanks,
Fern
Hi Matt.i have moved over from mega c forum to Paws since this is day 9 with no hydro. The Mega Vit C was THE BEST for acute withdrawal. Thanks so much for that.
However I have never experienced the mental anguish & wish to die that I have now. I am doing most of the things you recommend & have some stuff on order. I truly do not know if I can hang in here.i DO NOT want to use opiates,no point after all I’ve been thru to get past that.
All I want is to be dead. I just laid out all the meds in the house that I can take to be gone from here. my supportive spouse has gone to church. It would be really crappy to come home to a dead wife. I guess I’m down to one minute at a time to see if I can survive.My 2 daughters & 4 beautiful grandkids have no clue about any of this. I don’t want to hurt anyone. I’ve always been the strong one, the rock. Hydro took that from me. Thx for listening
Hi Ann! I have been reading many comments for the last few hours from those using the Thomas recipe, and none of them have grasped my attention as yours has. I am not personally going through any of this, it is my son who I am trying to help. I know that he has these feelings of anquish quite often, and feels as if it would be easier to just leave this place. You wrote about your daughters and grandchildren, that you do not want to hurt them. You also said that you have always been the strong one, and that Hydro has taken that away from you. Use those feelings to become who you still are. That person is still there, you must dig deep to find her again. You can do this! You made it through the acute withdrawal, you ARE strong! Please hold on and fight for you and your family! Become the rock that you were meant to be! I wish you the best!!
Thanks to both Matt & Barb for the words of encouragement. I HAVE TO MAKE IT!! When the mental demons come I will re read ur posts as well as follow the other recommendations for overcoming PAWS. Thx
You’re welcome Ann. YOU WILL MAKE IT!!!
I failed. Found 4 Oxycodone and took them over a period of 24 hours. Feel better physically but now feel worse about myself. Saw A counselor yesterday and she is trying to get me into see a psychiatrist who can give me an antidepressant that should help with my back pain as well as my friggin anxiety/depression. What’s the point of that just more drugs…still waiting on the ginseng sublime and the wild reishi to arrive. Have everything else I believe u suggest. Death is inevitable sooner or later. Joy not so much
Ann you did not fail. You simply did what you had to do to end the suffering. You also went to get psychological help, so good for you!!! And many people have gone on antidepressants after getting off drugs and/or alcohol. I took antidepressants in my mid-twenties for about 6 months after I quit drinking that particular time (before my addiction to opioids). I felt incredible on an SSRI. I remember washing the dishes one morning, and I couldn’t believe how happy I was with my life.
I’m very excited to read that you ordered those Dragon Herb supplements! Those two in-particular changed my life. Thanks for updating your progress Ann..and it is progress. If I were feeling like you did, I would have done the same thing. What’s the point of life if you feel like that? I’m so proud of you. You’re doing great. Sometimes we get to where we want to go in a “one step forward, two steps back” type of way.
Take care, and I hope to hear from you more. I admire your courage.
God Bless you Matt Finch!! What an awesome man you’ve become! Love what you give back. It is immeasurable!
My pleasure April! Glad you enjoyed the content. 🙂
Hi Ann,
Hang in there!!! You’re past the acute phase, and now comes the real test. This is where it takes the most courage and the strongest mindset. Acute phase is only a few days, but post-acute can last for weeks, months, or even many years. You said you have some stuff on order…the reason you feel so bad is because your brain chemistry is all messed up from opiate abuse. Supplements can help very quickly…especially the ones I recommend in this article, along with many others.
I’m here to support you every step of the way. I’ve felt like you did…I was coming off heroin (2 weeks into post-acute phase) and I was so depressed, with no energy or happiness, and I traded my Valium for a 20 bag of dope, and the cycle continued. Wasn’t worth it for the one night of happiness.
I know how hard it is to feel like you do on a minute to minute basis. Of course there is the large biochemical aspect, and the supplements can help with that, along with exercise as soon as you body feels ready. Then there is the mental aspect. Try to take your mind off things if you can, I know it’s hard; Especially without the family support since you’ve hidden this part of your life. You don’t have to be strong all the time Ann, it’s ok to ask for help and be human/vulnerable.
If there is anything I can do to assist you during this process, please don’t hesitate to ask. Hang in there.
Attention: I am a Strategic Intervention Coach, not a doctor, so I can’t give professional advice regarding aspects of the body, only the mind. This comment is for informational use only. It’s not intended to treat, diagnose or prevent any disease. Always check with your doctor before changing your diet, trying any new supplements, medications, exercise or opiate tapering programs.
Hi Ann, please do not hurt yourself I do not even know you and it makes me feel like crying just to hear that from you. I have struggled with addiction for 20 plus years off and on. The longest I have been clean since I started was 45 days back in 2000. I usually go a week to 10 to 14 days and then stop for 2 to 3or 4 days and then start the whole thing over again. This has now gone on for over 20 years. The PAWS is what gets me, the anxiety and now energy. But I am still trying and have “NO” intention of ever not trying to stop. Please do not ever hurt yourself because it will cause lasting hurt and damage to your family and I cannot even put into words how selfish and cruel that would be to your Husband to have to come home and to have to find you like that. Be kind to yourself and be patient with yourself and just keep trying. We have no other choice, it is either try or give up and that is something I don’t plan on doing and neither should you.Be thankful you have family who love and care about you. I will pray for you and be thinking about you.Good luck and be strong Ann.Sincerly,Vince
Hiya, Matt;
Very interesting article. I’m about 6 weeks off quitting Subs c/t @ 8 mg on 4/11 this year. The first ten days SUCKED…. I couldn’t have even BEGUN to look things up on the computer! Little did I know then, what I know now; I should’ve tapered. I was buying Subs “at work” to conquer a “many years” opiate addiction, and it REALLY helped, for awhile. Until I started becoming “flat, moody, drowsy, etc..” and almost lost my husband and kids, 11 and 15. They KNEW mommy wasn’t right.
I went to Church with my Son Easter morning, as daddy was sick and my daughter was at “her” dad’s house, and just had an “Epiphany,” if you will, to quit the STRIPS, alltogether. I took 4 mg in the am, and my last 1/2 strip that evening, and that was that. *Or so I thought……* Because of the half-life, and the fact that I’d been taking 8mg/2mg a day for 3+ years, I was “okay…” until day three. That Wednesday, thru the following week, I was SO SO SO sick. My husband took a week off work to care for me; as I’d told him the TRUTH about my addiction (he always knew about the pills; they started with surgeries on my rt. arm with cmpd fx radius/ulna due to car accident.) Then, I kept getting more, saying I was in pain, when in fact, I wasn’t. The Doc’s kept Rx’ing…. or I’d buy OC’s from work.
I am currently on a Medical LOA for 6 months; easy in the Restaurant Industry. I had an appointment with a “real” SubDoc on May 11th, but after joining a forum (SS.com) cancelled my appointment, and have been fighting C/T ever since. The people “there” advised me against Kratom, but I had used it in around 2002 to get off Opiates, and it worked rather well. I just got my second batch (4oz’s) of PC Bali, as I was quite the efficionado earlier in the century, and used to get “samples” from TKK to “try” because I was such a loyal customer. I never really “liked” the ones you suggested in your other essay. (Guess I should’ve posted this THERE, but I got distracted by your “PAWS” article.
I’ve tried to “quit” Kratom, having not had any for the last four days, after “sharing” with company; a girl I used to work with who has recently had to quit Morphine because her quack doc lost her license. Just got another 4oz’s this morning, took two scoops with my Grapefruit Juice, (which I actually LOVE!,) and feel MUCH BETTER than I did yesterday! My story is long, and I am sorry. Back to where I was going with this, next paragraph.
I know I have TOTALLY been suffering GREATLY from PAWS . . .but I’ve been OFF SUBS for 6 weeks; am I too late in the game to start on some of the products you suggest? My husband bought me (when I was first withdrawing…sooooo sick) the Amino Acids, Kava Kava, Ginseng, Vitamin C, Sublingual B-12 (which I couldn’t take; made me think of Subs…) and St. John’s Wort; the latter of which ALWAYS upsets my stomach; full or empty. We eat VERY healthy in our home; plenty of leafy greens, many fresh from the Amish, as are the free-range eggs, and much of the meat we buy here. (Great country here in Ohio.) Plus, we have a well, with filtration, and DELICIOUS water here. I’ve got a lot going for me, but still/again struggling.
I know this is long, and I apologize; just wanted you to get the WHOLE picture, because “but for” my loving husband who drives a truck and has always been drug-free, and the posts from my peeps at SS and reading here, I realize no two stories are alike. I was feeling SO much better by around week 4.5, and feel like I’ve back-slid; assuming this is PAWS. I don’t have access to a ton of $ because my husband still doesn’t “trust” me, understandably; but am just wondering what, minimally, of the products you list can STILL help me; or am I too late in the game? Last but not least; I never viewed Kratom as addicting. If I share / give it away, I don’t view it as a drug, as I was “stingy” with those.
I’m sorry this is SO long, but wanted to tell you HOW MUCH I appreciate the work you’ve done here, and I SO NEVER want to go through the HORRIBLE w/d’s from Suboxone. (The local clinics/detox facilities here advocate it, so that’s why I’d never go that route; they want to put me “ON IT” to get me “off it.”) What do you think, minimally, that I should add to my regime of the items I listed above, if any? When will this end? My major complaints are malaise, moodiness, and “resurrected” stomach issues / headaches.
I thank you for the work you do, and hope you have helped many, as you have me; even from the “many” things I’ve already read here. I’m really glad you advocate Kratom for withdrawal symptoms, as many people swear-it-off. Hoping to hear back from you regarding PAWS, and what I should ‘add’ to my regime, to minimize this “secondary hell.”
Respecfully,
Anne
Hi AnneMarie,
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I admire you for all that you have been through, and the courage that have, as well as your dedication to quitting opiates.
If it were me, and I had just a little money to minimize symptoms of malaise, moodiness, stomach issues and headaches, I would take the following:
CalmSupport
Solaray DL-Phenylalanine
These two together will offer the most bang for the buck in my opinion, regarding what you’re going through. Take care, and please feel free to ask me any additional questions in the future. I’m here to help you in any way I can.
Disclaimer: I am a Strategic Intervention Coach, not a doctor, so I can’t give professional advice regarding aspects of the body, only the mind. This comment is for informational use only. It’s not intended to treat, diagnose or prevent any disease. Always check with your doctor before changing your diet, trying any new supplements, medications, exercise or opiate tapering programs
Hey, Matt;
Thank you SO much for your prompt reply; it is greatly appreciated. I will order both products as soon as Hubby gets home, as he has the bank cards still.
I have been reading all of your publications, and you are one smart, inspiring individual. I guess it can take quite a few months to “really” get back to me, but I’ve made it thus far; I’m not quitting now. It’s not that I can’t, I just WON’T. I can NEVER put myself through that HELL again. Unlike “childbirth” (where you TRULY forget the pain, I know for a fact,) I will NOT forget how AWFUL I felt within the first two weeks. I literally wished I were dead, but had no energy to comprise a plan.
Again, I will order those two items, and I thank you for including the links, as well.
I will check back periodically, as I admire you and your understanding, especially since you’ve “been there,” per se.
Keep up the good work. People like “me” need MORE people like you!
Ttys,
AnneMarie
I’m so happy to hear you have been enjoying the articles on this website. You sound extremely motivated, and with that mindset anything is possible.
The HELL experience of acute withdrawal is now in your rear view mirror. Keep that feeling of how bad it was with you. The key to staying clean off opiates long-term is to link MASSIVE PAIN to using opiates, and MASSIVE PLEASURE to not using them.
If you can maintain this “neuro-association”, you’ll be able to easily stay off that road of destruction. I look forward to your updates, and I appreciate the kind things you said about me. Take care, and talk to you soon.
I’m sitting here at work going on almost 65 hours of my last 2mg sub. The withdrawals have started and I keep sneezing,wanting to cry and just die. It’s not even that bad, I have calm support, DLPA, and the lypo orange stuff. I think my anguish is just loneliness since nobody in my life knows this about me. I have nobody to talk to and I can’t bc my family has suffered too much in the past year with death, cancer, surgeries, stroke, animals dying….you name it we have been through it. I think I am strong enough to keep going, but I’m just worried bc I only started calm support yesterday and DLPA and lypo c a few hours ago. Will it still help? I have been in the bathroom constantly. I am keeping hydrated and have Imodium (not working tho). Matt, I envy you. I wish I lived near you so I had someone to talk to. I did sleep today after crying myself to sleep. I work 3x a week 7pm-730am in healthcare setting. People are noticing something is up with me. I luckily have the next 3 nights off. I just hope these 3 supplements will help. Can I take extra calm support? Bc I have…i take one every 6-8 hours bc iget such bad anxiety and chest pains. I’m lonely. I’m frustrated. I’m at work crying. Above all, I am terrified
Hi Sarah,
You have me to talk to now!!! Please use this forum to communicate with me and I’m so happy to help you through this. And if it were me I would totally take extra Calm Support. I would be taking a few capsules at a time a few times a day.
Matt, you are so awesome! Thank you for everything.
Sarah, keep going! You’ve got this and we are here for you. Reach out to Matt. He said a wonderful healer.
Sorry to hear that. I’m about to come off subutex that my dr gave me for Fibromyalgia. If you want, we can be friends 🙂 contact me.
Hi matt I am an addict myself who has been struggling with opiate addiction for 5+ years im 23 years old and have quit several times but have been sucked back in from paws and this horrific problem I see only some people deal with called hyper hydrosis.where I sweat absolutely profusely in the day time its from just my upper body leaving my shirts absolutely soaked and having to change them multiple times a day no matter how much deoderant I use and that is/has always been one of my worst symptoms and it literally drives me insane but at night time is where the shit really hits the fan I wake up every night in a pool of my own sweat freezing cold cause its so much that my bed and body are so wet its like I dumped a bucket of water on myself and bed and when this happens its my whole body not just my torso but these sweats are so bad it keeps me from sleeping and I feel as if im loosing my mind now I am completely aware it takes a while for all the crap to get out of your system and your body is essentially pushing out all the crap in your bloodstream,fats and organs but when I get done with the major withdrawals and havent haven’t done anything for several weeks too months I don’t understand how/why my body is still in the shit as if I was still using heroin I don’t feel the nausea or muscle cramps but the sweats,insomnia and lack of appetite are still so bad even being clean for 2-3 months that I end up using heroin again just so I can eat and sleep I honestly dont know what to do and I refuse the suboxone route cause the addiction from those is worse than heroin its self and I find it ignorant I was prescribed the 8mg strips and I found it was just as bad and my doctor was trying to get me to take 2 ¹/² strips a day and I absolutely refused to take that much because I was ok from one strip a day in short I quit going too him cause someone who really wants too help you wouldn’t actively try to make your addiction worse than what it already is the doctors are just legal drug dealers who only care about money but anyway back to it this was over 6 months ago and the hyper hydrosis happened before I was ever on suboxone so I know it wasnt from that and I see your supplements your recommending but its only these specific brands and I have sleight trust issues being an addict and as someone who has bought supplements in the past to help with withdraw and to help with paws it didn’t work or help at all the product was called you got a day and night formula and it was so so so expensive and they had a money back guarantee so I figured it has to work if your paying 150$ for something to help yourself as an addict and it was basically a scam and there were plenty of reviews saying how it was a miracle and I figured it was legit but it was basically valerian root and melatonin in powder form with fruit punch kool aid mixed in and I really gave it a chance praying it would help some but no it did nothing for me I was very upset and now dont trust products like calm support delray and mens supplements please help and let me know a compromise or solution for something with this matter and with the it was 150$ before shipping and handling so all together it was about 200$ I find it so messed up that people only care about money and are willing to prey on heroin/opiate addicts who are legitimately trying to get help and 200$ is alot of money especially for a drug addict it devastated me and eliminated my trust for anyone supposedly trying to help addicts its one of the worst things in the world anyways if you could explain some things about all the products you recommended for withdraw and paws it would be awesome and if you could explain some of the same ingredients and make a list of stuff I could buy at a supplement / vitamin store please I am on my last leg and I will die soon if I cant figure something out I am currently clean and need to get this started before I go back to heroin from paws please help however you can thanks.
Spencer, please, please, PLEASE!!! try the calm support…i , too have been ripped off , but this stuff is the real deal. don’t be afraid of it and sell yourself short. you’ll be glad you did. I PROMISE! i have been where you are and wouldn’t be so cruel as to give you bs information. good luck to you, i wish you the absolute best. shadow
Calm Support is pretty good stuff. They now have something called Sleep Support which works amazingly well for sleep. I too was skeptical but they do help. You just have to use them religiously. Get them into your system. Good luck!
Contacted Calm Support and they didn’t have any info on sleep support?
Hi Chip,
Not long ago, the owner of Calm Support (Ryan Donnelly) started another website called Vitamin Support, which has the Sleep Support product Valerie mentioned.
It’s a very good supplement.
Click here to read my Vitamin Support Review article>>
Click here to go straight to Sleep Support page>>
I have the same problem with the hyper hydrosis which I never had a day in my life before I started using opiates ! It sucks and I’ve been clean for the first time in 5 years and I’m 2 months clean. Not only dealing with that but also PAWS. I just feel like crap all the time and don’t have no energy anymore . After sleeping 6-7 hours I’ll be awake for 4 hours then feel tired again and not wanting to do anything . The hyper hydrosis is a terrible thing also cuz all day my armpits are sweating for no reason and having to change shirts multiple times a day isn’t fun . This is the first time I’ve heard someone else dealing with same issue . I hope there is a resolution . God Bless
Don’t have much advice but I have much respect for you congratulations on your journey you inspire me you are a great person I can tell he must be as strong as you are must be an outstanding mother your husband is lucky to have strength like you around I’m on day 25 off Suboxone benzos and tobacco suffering with paws but I’m working through it just wanted to quickly say congratulations keep spreading your message of strength and Hope you’re very inspiring a true warrior
how are you today..2yrs later…